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I know that having the word "Mario" in the title doesn't necessarily mean that a game is made by Nintendo. It illustrates my point about the tunnel vision of your average Wii owner when it comes to purchasing games though. They're clearly not reading reviews and looking at ratings, or highly rated titles like Z&W wouldn't have sold like ice to Eskimos. If the game was called Mario & Sonic, it would have been a smash hit of course.

Why are you avoiding my questions about the lack of AAA titles from third parties? Why has no dev invested the cash into creating and advertising a game that's up to the standard of a game like Mario Galaxy? Not one dev has done this since the Wii was released, despite it being the best selling console. Stop dodging the questions. I think some of the Wii defenders need to read the first post in this thread again.



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hardyhar said:

9 of the top 10 best selling Wii games are Nintendo games and the other game in the top 10 has the word "Mario" in the title. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

9 out of 10 shark attacks happen in the same months when the most ice cream is sold. Therefore, it is logical that ice cream attracts sharks. 

See what I did here?

hardyhar said:

 Answer me that. If the average Wii owner is a discerning gamer that's buying games based on quality, why did only 1 in 238 buy Zack and Wiki? 

Obviously because 237 in 238 gamers don't care about Zack and Wiki, or consider it low quality. 



hardyhar said:
I know that having the word "Mario" in the title doesn't necessarily mean that a game is made by Nintendo. It illustrates my point about the tunnel vision of your average Wii owner when it comes to purchasing games though. They're clearly not reading reviews and looking at ratings, or highly rated titles like Z&W wouldn't have sold like ice to Eskimos.

Why are you avoiding my questions about the lack of AAA titles from third parties? Why has no dev invested the cash into creating and advertising a game that's up to the standard of a game like Mario Galaxy? Not one dev has done this since the Wii was released, despite it being the best selling console. Stop dodging the questions.

I'm not dodging that question, at least not the one you previously stated. I explained that it's an unfair question given that sales-wise, no games match Nintendo's games (no matter what consoles they're launched on).

Maybe it will be easier for me to answer your question if you first tell me what 3rd party games on the PS3/360 match the quality of Mario Galaxy. Just to have an idea of the kind of answer you're seeking.

Also, are you aware that several 3rd party games have performed well on the Wii, in all territories? There are even niche games which performed up to par with their previous iterations on consoles like the PS2... for example Fatal Frame IV in Japan vs the previous games in the series, and Madworld vs God Hand. There are more mainstream 3rd party titles that have performed really well too, for example RE4:Wii, Guitar Hero games, and even the Call of Duty games (despite being lower quality or late ports). You might call all of this cherry picking, but on the other hand pointing out a few games which performed badly is as bad or as good (depending on your perspective).

 



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@ hardyhar
This makes me clueless too. Why are there almost no AAA titles from 3rd parties since 2006 the year Wii launched although it's the most successful console this generation? Why did 3rd parties abandon the Gamecube and the N64?



I do see what you did there. You posted a logical fallacy and tried to do draw parallels between it and what I posted, even though there is no parallel to be drawn. You are implying that it's merely a coincidence that 9 of the top 10 games happen to be created and published by Nintendo, even though the consensus seems to be that Nintendo make the best games for the system and nobody has been able to step and say why exactly third parties are unwilling to create game of a similar quality and invest money into marketing them.



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NJ5 said:
 

Maybe it will be easier for me to answer your question if you first tell me what 3rd party games on the PS3/360 match the quality of Mario Galaxy. Just to have an idea of the kind of answer you're seeking.

 

Why are you asking me this? There are third party games on the 360 and PS3 that are as good as the first party titles. There aren't on the Wii. I asked why that is. Your question has no relevance to the topic at hand. Look at games like Bioshock, GTA IV, Fallout 3, Bayonetta, Demon's Souls etc. if you want answers to your question though.


Vas-y - Nobody seems willing to have a crack at answering that question. They have excuses why games don't sell - oh boy, do they have plenty of those. They can't answer the big question of why third party devs just aren't investing in the Wii in the first place though in terms of making big AAA titles. Even if they did, there would be some excuse rolled out when the game flops. It happened with The Conduit and it will happen with every game that comes out in the future and fails to sell on the Wii.



You are the one engaging in logical fallacies. You take one characteristic of the top selling Wii games and say it's the reason for its good sales. That's not logically valid.

It's like me looking at the top sold PC games in the last few years and saying "PC owners only look at the label and buy the game if it's from Blizzard or Valve!".



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Can you just answer the question? I'll ask it one more time: -

Why has no third party dev invested the cash into creating and advertising a game that's up to the standard of a game like Mario Galaxy? 

Any other Wii owner or defender can jump in at any time to answer if they wish to. As the excuses for poor sales are either "they didn't invest money into making a decent game" or "they didn't advertise it well enough" or a combination of the two, perhaps someone can refrain from the excuse making for long enough to tell me why exactly that is.



None of the third party games I possess gave me the feeling of similar quality to the Nintendo games I have in my collection (ok, there is Little King's Story). So in my point of view 3rd parties didn't even try to make a so-called AAA title with proper advertisement. The only game I can think of is Monster Hunter tri which did quite good in Japan. Now some 3rd parties are complaining but it's their own fault to release massive amounts of low quality games which are getting lost in the software jungle.



hardyhar said:
NJ5 said:
 

Maybe it will be easier for me to answer your question if you first tell me what 3rd party games on the PS3/360 match the quality of Mario Galaxy. Just to have an idea of the kind of answer you're seeking.

 

Why are you asking me this? There are third party games on the 360 and PS3 that are as good as the first party titles. There aren't on the Wii. I asked why that is. Your question has no relevance to the topic at hand. Look at games like Bioshock, GTA IV, Fallout 3, Bayonetta, Demon's Souls etc. if you want answers to your question though.


Vas-y - Nobody seems willing to have a crack at answering that question. They have excuses why games don't sell - oh boy, do they have plenty of those. They can't answer the big question of why third party devs just aren't investing in the Wii in the first place though.

If those games qualify as having the same quality as Super Mario Galaxy, then yes there are several 3rd party Wii games with the same quality. Just in many cases they are ports or were launched much later than the original games.. and launching late ports has been known to be a disaster in consoles other than the Wii. Not in all the cases though, for example Monster Hunter 3.

The question you ask is more relevant for the publishers than for me... given that similar games have sold well on the Wii. For example, since RE4:Wii performed well, why didn't Capcom make RE5 for the Wii, instead of the on-rails spin-offs? The answer is more likely to be about Capcom's early strategies (those games have been in planning for years) and hardware capabilities than about sales expectations. Well known 3rd party franchises have performed well on the Wii, so your implication that 3rd parties don't develop good Wii games only due to the demographics of the console is unfounded speculation.

 



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