Oh, sorry. I thought I said I was talking about GOOD games which also were received well by the critics, not titles like Carnival Games, LEGO-games, Game Party, Sonic and the secret rings, My fitness Coach, High School musical: Sing it, MySims, Cooking Mama, We Ski, etc etc. If you take a look at the list you provided, how many decent games are there? Should developers be forced to make these kinds of games just so they can sell games on the Wii??? The thing is Zack and Wiki was received well by critics and is a good game, still it gets massively outsold by High School Musical and shit like that. IMO there are maybe 5 3rd party games of the 50 first games that I would ever play, but NEVER buy. But if you feel that Carnival games and High School Musical are the games wii developers should make, then it's fine by me. the thing is, aside from Nintendo games, the 3rd party games on that list is mostly shitty games for kids and housewifes. And of course you have COD, Guitar hero, etc, but these games are not for Wii only and they sell (even more) on ANY OTHER platform as well. Games for GAMERS gets lost on the wii... If I was a developer, I would never lower myself to develop titles like MySims or Carnival games if I wanted to make something like Madworld or No More Heroes just so my games would sell...

I'm talking about GOOD, SERIOUS games for gamers here! Really, to think I was to be provided with a list of shovelware... Sorry, but I can't agree with 3rd party success on the Wii when these are the games that sell...

I agree, however I didn't beat this game. I was tricked by the IGN buy the game campaign and the VGChartz "this is the best game ever" bought 3 copies for less than $8 each. Luckily I sold mine for $24 online, so I made it all back. My brother sold his for $20 too, so benefit for everyone. I think the final gifted copy of the game is still owned, but I'm positive my older bother isn't playing it.

Honestly, my biggest complaint about the game was how slow your character moved. You got to the end, died and then had to painfully replay the entire stage.

As it has been stated many times before, games that have been 'recieved well by crtitics' are not always the pinnacle of greatness.  And one persons perception of 'serious games for gamers' may be different than others.  Its obvious that Wii is getting a ton of shovelware, but not every game on the Wii from third parties is bad, as you are making it out to be.

Give it another week or so....

They need to learn from games like Just Dance

i think they should have made it a mutiplat.

We Ski was developed by the Ridge Racer team, and generally got favorable reviews in line with that series. Cooking Mama isn't my thing, but it seems to be a pretty well put together series with quite a bit of crossover "core" appeal (industry journalists seem to like and play it at least, unlike most "casual" fare). Sonic and the Secret Rings is probably the best Sonic game we've gotten since the Dreamcast days, and was directed by a Team Andromeda (ie: Panzer Dragoon series) ex-pat.

All 3 of those games are from "core" game developers and fall within well established genres that go back to nearly the start of gaming. Honestly, I fail to see how Zack & Wiki is more "serious" or even "good" than any of them. If anything I'd say Z&W is in the same boat, it's really a "core" game that's often mis/re-cast as new gimmicky casual fare.

In my experience with Z&W it seemed more a cute puzzle adventure wrapped in an attractive (for me, kiddie for some) visual, with generally imprecise context sensitive waggle controls and coming from a developer with an excellent pedigree. I'd say it's an average game really, and if it had put up these sorts of numbers on PS2 or GC last gen no one would've batted an eye.

Capcom has a big problem, historically their mid-tier games tend to bomb hard not only on Wii but on Gamecube, Xbox and of course PS2 too.

It is also true that there has been two great exceptions in this generation, Lost Planet and Dead Rising, they sold really well though they got some advertising.

This is the last time I talk about third party companies on Wii because I'm extremely tired, this is so pathetic. I wish it were true that the really can't sell well on Wii, all this whining is ridiculous ...

Lost Planet alone had a $20m advertising budget iirc, though that was rumored to be Microsoft subsidized.  Both games were break out "mature" action game hits, but that's really nothing new for Capcom, each gen they've been averaging 2 (Final Fight and Street Fighter on SNES, Resident Evil and Dino Crisis on PS1, Onimusha and DMC on PS2).  This gen it looks like they'll have 3, with Monster Hunter also graduating to the big leagues.

If we look back more at the sorts of games Z&W shares any real commonality with last gen, we find lots of PS2/GC/Xbox "bombs" or mediocre performers like like Maximo 1-2, auto modellista, PN03, Viewtiful Joe 1-2/RHR, Gotcha Force, Okami, God Hand, Steel Batallion/LOC, Chaos Legion, Glass Rose, BOF Dragon Quarter, Killer 7, Crimson Tears, Under the Skin, Haunting Ground, Group S Challenge, Shadow of Rome, Everblue 1-2, Gregory Horror Show, Killer 7, etc, etc.  And most of those "failures" were on PS2, yet none managed to get brought up nearly as much as Z&W even when some were budgeted to be million sellers (Okami, auto modellista, Chaos Legion).

Frankly, I'd categorize Zack and Wiki as an avg game that came out on the Wii when there was no games.  Making a lot of people think it was some masterpiece.  A similar scenario to a lot of early PS2 games.

And a select group of review sites (IGN and 1up mostly) obsessed over it like it was the next big revolution in gaming on a Nintendo platform.  Then when it didn't sell, those select reviewers threw a fit and kept bringing up how the game was overlooked and the game should have a sequel just because they liked it.  Even to the point of overlooking other good Wii games.