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welshbloke on 18 January 2010

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Avinash_Tyagi on 18 January 2010
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
First off, are you under the impression that they are not targeting the casual market first with Natal?

So it is a bad idea to try and extend the 360's audience by providing a unique experience via Natal? Or are you saying it cannot be done due to the fact that MS has already courted the core market and cannot now extend to the casual?

They themselves have stated that core is first.

 

Actually trying to market to their core first is a bad idea, first off the core are the least likely to welcome the new innovation, if they are willing to adopt it, they'll be Wii owners already, secondly core games are the least likely to benefit from the innovation.

 

Now when it comes to reaching the downmarket, yes they'll have a hard time, what is a strength to them in the core market are weaknesses in the downmarket, the downmarket has different values, Nintendo already has learned the lessons of the downmarket, its their strength, but MS and the third parties it depends on so much do not, which is why they have such trouble with that audience, NATAL will reflect those problems in its software selection for the downmarket, and the core will see little benefit to NATAL in their own games.

Let me repost this as you seemed to have missed it:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-hardcore-games-easiest-to-sell

"It's a continuation of a strategy we've been articulating for a long time, which is that we have a powerful piece of hardware that enables a lot of different experiences," he added. "Let's start with the core users to really get their attention and get them invested and committed to us as a platform. Then as we look to broaden to new audiences, we have the hardware capacity and technology innovation to continue to evolve the experience, whether that's by bringing things like Facebook, Netflix and Twitter to give people more reasons to turn the console on, or with Natal in the future, with a more social, casual and interactive controller-free gaming experience that something like Natal brings."

 

They stated the core was marketed first for the 360 as a whole, not Natal.  Natal is one of the things that they are using to broaden the audience.  This was the key part you left out of your earlier post.

 

And I would say Rare might have a good chance to create some compelling software for the down market.  It might just be their time to shine.

And what you forget is right here

NATAL is going to do the same thing, target the core first then move to the downmarket

Continuing to expand the audience is a continuation of the strategy they had from the beginning.  If they started targetting core with Natal they would be starting a new strategy, not continuing their original one.  The hardware he is speaking of is the 360.  You realize that right?

Wrong

 

From the article:

 

but the core titles for Natal will help it quickly find an audience while Microsoft markets to the more fickle casual consumer. 

 

nice try but no, they are trying what I said they are trying



 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 18 January 2010
welshbloke said:
Yeap them

If they can't grasp the downmarket, and they are the big software drivers for MS, then they in fact will be a weakness for NATAL in the downmarket



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

.jayderyu on 18 January 2010

*Snicker*.
MS " Motion Control is a fad", "Never take off".

3 years later
MS " Motion Control is the way of the future', "Motion control will change the world".

*snicker*.

sorry, but only the stupid will buy that MS is leading this movement. And more and more the wave of anti motion control seems to be lifting. *snicker*. At least I will respect those that stand by their ground.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

JaggedSac on 18 January 2010
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:

Continuing to expand the audience is a continuation of the strategy they had from the beginning.  If they started targetting core with Natal they would be starting a new strategy, not continuing their original one.  The hardware he is speaking of is the 360.  You realize that right?

Wrong

 

From the article:

 

but the core titles for Natal will help it quickly find an audience while Microsoft markets to the more fickle casual consumer. 

 

nice try but no, they are trying what I said they are trying

That wasn't a quote.  That was something written by the journalist.  The actual quotes speak about catering to both, but not having to market to the core.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 18 January 2010
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:

Continuing to expand the audience is a continuation of the strategy they had from the beginning.  If they started targetting core with Natal they would be starting a new strategy, not continuing their original one.  The hardware he is speaking of is the 360.  You realize that right?

Wrong

 

From the article:

 

but the core titles for Natal will help it quickly find an audience while Microsoft markets to the more fickle casual consumer. 

 

nice try but no, they are trying what I said they are trying

That wasn't a quote.  That was something written by the journalist.  The actual quotes speak about catering to both, but not having to market to the core.

No, it says more than that, it says that they are first going to bring it to their core, because they feel it'll be easiest to rack up sales, then market to the  "casuals", the journalist was making the point clear



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Lord Flashheart on 18 January 2010

I agree Jay. I'm pissing myself at those sony boys who vehemently hated the wii and motion controls. They're backpeddling now.
At least MS said people should buy a wii and a 360 instead of a PS3... and a lot of 360 owners did.



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Cobretti2 on 18 January 2010

if that laggy half life video is anythign to go by, natal is not the right interface for FPS.

I think it has mor epotential in what they demonstrated at E3. but I HOPE they don't use it on GREAT OLD GAMES and FUCK the controls.



 

 

JaggedSac on 18 January 2010

Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:

Continuing to expand the audience is a continuation of the strategy they had from the beginning.  If they started targetting core with Natal they would be starting a new strategy, not continuing their original one.  The hardware he is speaking of is the 360.  You realize that right?

Wrong

From the article:

but the core titles for Natal will help it quickly find an audience while Microsoft markets to the more fickle casual consumer. 

nice try but no, they are trying what I said they are trying

That wasn't a quote.  That was something written by the journalist.  The actual quotes speak about catering to both, but not having to market to the core.

No, it says more than that, it says that they are first going to bring it to their core, because they feel it'll be easiest to rack up sales, then market to the  "casuals", the journalist was making the point clear

I guess you are referring to this bit:

 

"The core are going to buy the games, we don't have to focus on marketing those - well, we do, but those games in a lot of ways will sell themselves because they're such immersive and intense experiences that the core is going to buy, and buy disproportionally for the Xbox," spokesperson David Dennis told GamesIndustry.biz."

 

 

How can he be talking about Natal games when he mentions that they will be bought "disproportionally for the XBox"?  If they were Natal games, they would be only on XBox.



JaggedSac on 18 January 2010

And the reason I say he was not referring to Natal in that quote is because he only mentions Natal later on in the interview, at this point:

"as we look to broaden to new audiences, we have the hardware capacity and technology innovation to continue to evolve the experience, whether that's by bringing things like Facebook, Netflix and Twitter to give people more reasons to turn the console on, or with Natal in the future, with a more social, casual and interactive controller-free gaming experience that something like Natal brings."

He brings up Natal as he mentions broadening to new audiences and describes Natal as a more social, casual, and interactive gaming experience.