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Akvod on 04 January 2010
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BoleroOfFire said:
Akvod: Would she have had as much fun if the old Mario games were not of great quality? I don't buy sequels for games that I don't remember being good.

Just wanted to add that. Leaving now because the thread seems like it's going to degenerate into something objectifying. Good night.

If you're leaving the thread then I have no reason to respond, since it'll be the same as responding to nobody or having a monologue with myself O.o

 

Good night though, hope you have no hard feelings over our disagreement. But I do think I know my own mother more than you do XD

you may know your mom better, but its not like the words "i got NSMBWii because of nostalgia and multiplayer" came from HER mouth, did it. leave it, its not like you can prove X% of NSMBWii owners got it for Y reason, nor can anyone else prove the opposite.

I don't think my mom's a completely unique case. I said (or at least I hope I said) SOME people. I wanted to get the game because of quality, not out of nostalgia.

And I'm basing my assessment on the fact that I know my mom was constantly talking and asking about Mario and if it's like the old games, and my dad's nightmare stories of mom playing her eyes out when she was younger. Jesus fucking christ, even if I am wrong about my own mother, can you guys agree with me that some people, who aren't particularly interested in gaming, bought the game, and possibly the system because of nostalgia?

I really don't see why there's so much opposition against me.

@the last sentence

probably cause youre trying to explain something as big as WW sales with something as small as your mom, who no one here knows

A question was asked as to what part of NSMBWii could drive people to buy an entire system for the game.

I proposed that perhaps it was nostalgia and the appeal of the local multiplayer that attracted those who aren't ardent gamers and haven't bought a Wii yet.

In order to relate my theory better I used an antecdote. Although my mother did buy the system before the game came out, she did not even touch it, only trying out Wii fit until being dissapointed by it (she also has a DS lite... which she doesn't touch). It was until this game came out that she was interested in gaming again. That is why I thought that there were those like my mom, only who were a bit wiser with their money and didn't buy a system they wouldn't play at all.

Sheesh, do I have to go this indepth? I mean, look at the fucking videos I posted, you guys don't think Nintendo were aware of a certain type of audience when they made them?



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Akvod on 04 January 2010
Akvod said:
psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^If it was purely nostalgia Akvod, then the 3D Marios would be selling at similar rates, but its not, people know 2D Mario is quality.

@psrock, its easy to see quality, I knew NSMB Wii would be amazing when I saw the gameplay videos, and I was not disappointed when i played it

So, Akvod's mom was surfing the internet looking for gameplay of NSMB so she can make up her mind on the quality of a Mario game.

 

 

 



BTSaga on 04 January 2010
Akvod said:
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BoleroOfFire said:
Akvod: Would she have had as much fun if the old Mario games were not of great quality? I don't buy sequels for games that I don't remember being good.

Just wanted to add that. Leaving now because the thread seems like it's going to degenerate into something objectifying. Good night.

If you're leaving the thread then I have no reason to respond, since it'll be the same as responding to nobody or having a monologue with myself O.o

 

Good night though, hope you have no hard feelings over our disagreement. But I do think I know my own mother more than you do XD

you may know your mom better, but its not like the words "i got NSMBWii because of nostalgia and multiplayer" came from HER mouth, did it. leave it, its not like you can prove X% of NSMBWii owners got it for Y reason, nor can anyone else prove the opposite.

I don't think my mom's a completely unique case. I said (or at least I hope I said) SOME people. I wanted to get the game because of quality, not out of nostalgia.

And I'm basing my assessment on the fact that I know my mom was constantly talking and asking about Mario and if it's like the old games, and my dad's nightmare stories of mom playing her eyes out when she was younger. Jesus fucking christ, even if I am wrong about my own mother, can you guys agree with me that some people, who aren't particularly interested in gaming, bought the game, and possibly the system because of nostalgia?

I really don't see why there's so much opposition against me.

@the last sentence

probably cause youre trying to explain something as big as WW sales with something as small as your mom, who no one here knows

A question was asked as to what part of NSMBWii could drive people to buy an entire system for the game.

I proposed that perhaps it was nostalgia and the appeal of the local multiplayer that attracted those who aren't ardent gamers and haven't bought a Wii yet.

In order to relate my theory better I used an antecdote. Although my mother did buy the system before the game came out, she did not even touch it, only trying out Wii fit until being dissapointed by it (she also has a DS lite... which she doesn't touch). It was until this game came out that she was interested in gaming again. That is why I thought that there were those like my mom, only who were a bit wiser with their money and didn't buy a system they wouldn't play at all.

Sheesh, do I have to go this indepth? I mean, look at the fucking videos I posted, you guys don't think Nintendo were aware of a certain type of audience when they made them?

your plan fell apart when you couldnt link the accuracy of your anecdote to your theory. you THINKING your mom is a common case really doesnt support it much. weak theories are easily opposed



Akvod on 04 January 2010
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BTSaga said:
Akvod said:
BoleroOfFire said:
Akvod: Would she have had as much fun if the old Mario games were not of great quality? I don't buy sequels for games that I don't remember being good.

Just wanted to add that. Leaving now because the thread seems like it's going to degenerate into something objectifying. Good night.

If you're leaving the thread then I have no reason to respond, since it'll be the same as responding to nobody or having a monologue with myself O.o

 

Good night though, hope you have no hard feelings over our disagreement. But I do think I know my own mother more than you do XD

you may know your mom better, but its not like the words "i got NSMBWii because of nostalgia and multiplayer" came from HER mouth, did it. leave it, its not like you can prove X% of NSMBWii owners got it for Y reason, nor can anyone else prove the opposite.

I don't think my mom's a completely unique case. I said (or at least I hope I said) SOME people. I wanted to get the game because of quality, not out of nostalgia.

And I'm basing my assessment on the fact that I know my mom was constantly talking and asking about Mario and if it's like the old games, and my dad's nightmare stories of mom playing her eyes out when she was younger. Jesus fucking christ, even if I am wrong about my own mother, can you guys agree with me that some people, who aren't particularly interested in gaming, bought the game, and possibly the system because of nostalgia?

I really don't see why there's so much opposition against me.

@the last sentence

probably cause youre trying to explain something as big as WW sales with something as small as your mom, who no one here knows

A question was asked as to what part of NSMBWii could drive people to buy an entire system for the game.

I proposed that perhaps it was nostalgia and the appeal of the local multiplayer that attracted those who aren't ardent gamers and haven't bought a Wii yet.

In order to relate my theory better I used an antecdote. Although my mother did buy the system before the game came out, she did not even touch it, only trying out Wii fit until being dissapointed by it (she also has a DS lite... which she doesn't touch). It was until this game came out that she was interested in gaming again. That is why I thought that there were those like my mom, only who were a bit wiser with their money and didn't buy a system they wouldn't play at all.

Sheesh, do I have to go this indepth? I mean, look at the fucking videos I posted, you guys don't think Nintendo were aware of a certain type of audience when they made them?

your plan fell apart when you couldnt link the accuracy of your anecdote to your theory. you THINKING your mom is a common case really doesnt support it much. weak theories are easily opposed

Like I said, I don't think my mom is one in a universe unique case. Who knows, there may only be 1 more person like her, maybe a few hundreds, a few percents, or a good chunk.

I never gave any specifics, that is exactly why I say SOME. Not FEW, not MOST, not X% or Y%.

 

Anyway, I gave a possible reason why some hardware was shifted. Nostalgia and the appeal of the local multiplayer. Check out the videos and my posts. Take it or leave it, up to you guys.



The Ghost of RubangB on 04 January 2010

Are people actually trying to tell Akvod that his mother is a 1 in a billion unique case that could never happen anywhere else?

At E3 tons of people were lining up to play this game, and their eyes were just lighting up like crazy. Once you play it or see someone else play it, you want it. It's magic. And part of that is nostalgia, because 2-D Mario is the definition of gaming quality. People trust Mario because he always delivers. Is this idea really that crazy?

This is exactly what Nintendo wanted. Some of the people who grew up playing Mario in the 80's now have their own kids and don't have time for games. So they see the commercials, showing a family of parents and children playing Mario on the same team. It just clicks. It's the perfect idea. It snatches up gamers, non-gamers, and the elusive ex-gamers like Akvod's mom and my older sister. The last games my older sister liked were probably Guitar Hero, Wii Sports, and Mega Man 2.



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puffy on 04 January 2010
psrock said:
To be fair, no one expected NSMB to sell so well in Japan where it has really had a huge impact despite FFXIII, but everywhere else, it's about the same as last year or a little bit lower.

I did, and in fact I predicted a first week of 2.2 million worldwide, you can check the game page. I was dead on.



 

masterb8tr on 04 January 2010
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Sounds like another one of those "Lol, I was right, you were wrong, you're an idiot" threads. These are so annoying and pathetic. People say a lot of things. Honestly, I'm sick of many posters on this forum trying to inflate a game's success because a couple people made bad predictions. Tons of people make bad predictions. Hell, I predicted that Halo 3 would sell 10.5 million lifetime once. Does that mean that it's sales are more successful because I guessed lower sales? No, I'm just some random guy.

Garrrr!

Some people just disgust me.

On most games I'd never bring it up, as predictions are just that, but when you say a 2D mario won't be a monster success, even when History says it will, I just have to point it out

Coming from the guy who said Wii Fit would outsell the GTA franchise (among a number of other AMAZING predictions).

You're not exactly one to point out other's bad predictions.

Edit: By the way, do you really think that the Wii will be able to more than double its install base and outsell the PS2 by the end of this year, master of predictions? Do tell.

My predictions may be wrong, but at least I never said anything as silly as NSMB Wii would only sell to galaxy owners, lol

i have to say i didnt expect nsmb wii to push much HW.... but at least that prediction was possible:P

now i have to ask, how do you see quality?



Avinash_Tyagi on 04 January 2010
Akvod said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Akvod said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^If it was purely nostalgia Akvod, then the 3D Marios would be selling at similar rates, but its not, people know 2D Mario is quality.

@psrock, its easy to see quality, I knew NSMB Wii would be amazing when I saw the gameplay videos, and I was not disappointed when i played it

So, Akvod's mom was surfing the internet looking for gameplay of NSMB so she can make up her mind on the quality of a Mario game.

 

 

He already said she saw it being played in the store, so she didn't need to surf the net, she saw it being played live.

 

 @Akvod, no originally you said nostalgia and local mulitplayer, and if it was just nostalgia, then 3D mario would have sold as well, but its not nostalgia, its the gameplay and the quality of it that attracted your mother, like you said she saw it being played

 

 

Dude my mom has not played any games for at least a decade. She was attracted to this game specificly because of nostalgia and Mario being the only game she played regularly in the past. If she was attracted to quality she would have been buying other games as well for the last decade.

You're assuming she found other games to be of quality, a lot of people haven't gamed in decades, because the games of recent years haven't appealed to them.  Sorry its not nostalgia, its finding a game that she considered quality and that appealed to her.  Just because Mario is the game that appealed to her in the past doesn't mean its nostalgia, but that she found mario gameplay to be quality, to appeal to her, and now she found more Mario that appealed and was quality.

Then why did she not play any other Mario games SNES and onwards? Why did she not play Mario 64 or Galaxy?

Obviously she thought that the game would be fun and so you can somewhat argue that she bought it for quality. But that's a very weak and unsatisfying because she didn't check the reviews at all, and would have probably bought it if it got bad reviews anyway.

She was appealed by the fact that she hasn't played Mario in a while, and that modern games are simply so fucking complex and confusing (She hated analog sticks for LBP and the realistic physics). She just wanted to relive the times in her twenties when she would stay up until AM and play Mario.

Exactly my point, lol, if it was nostalgia, she would have played those other Marios, the fact was, they didn't have the gameplay that appealed to her, 3D mario is very different than 2D mario



 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 04 January 2010
masterb8tr said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Sounds like another one of those "Lol, I was right, you were wrong, you're an idiot" threads. These are so annoying and pathetic. People say a lot of things. Honestly, I'm sick of many posters on this forum trying to inflate a game's success because a couple people made bad predictions. Tons of people make bad predictions. Hell, I predicted that Halo 3 would sell 10.5 million lifetime once. Does that mean that it's sales are more successful because I guessed lower sales? No, I'm just some random guy.

Garrrr!

Some people just disgust me.

On most games I'd never bring it up, as predictions are just that, but when you say a 2D mario won't be a monster success, even when History says it will, I just have to point it out

Coming from the guy who said Wii Fit would outsell the GTA franchise (among a number of other AMAZING predictions).

You're not exactly one to point out other's bad predictions.

Edit: By the way, do you really think that the Wii will be able to more than double its install base and outsell the PS2 by the end of this year, master of predictions? Do tell.

My predictions may be wrong, but at least I never said anything as silly as NSMB Wii would only sell to galaxy owners, lol

i have to say i didnt expect nsmb wii to push much HW.... but at least that prediction was possible:P

now i have to ask, how do you see quality?

The same way you know what you like, all one had to do was see the game being played to know it was quality.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

dampowell on 04 January 2010
Akvod said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Akvod said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^If it was purely nostalgia Akvod, then the 3D Marios would be selling at similar rates, but its not, people know 2D Mario is quality.

@psrock, its easy to see quality, I knew NSMB Wii would be amazing when I saw the gameplay videos, and I was not disappointed when i played it

So, Akvod's mom was surfing the internet looking for gameplay of NSMB so she can make up her mind on the quality of a Mario game.

 

 

He already said she saw it being played in the store, so she didn't need to surf the net, she saw it being played live.

 

 @Akvod, no originally you said nostalgia and local mulitplayer, and if it was just nostalgia, then 3D mario would have sold as well, but its not nostalgia, its the gameplay and the quality of it that attracted your mother, like you said she saw it being played

 

 

Dude my mom has not played any games for at least a decade. She was attracted to this game specificly because of nostalgia and Mario being the only game she played regularly in the past. If she was attracted to quality she would have been buying other games as well for the last decade.

You're assuming she found other games to be of quality, a lot of people haven't gamed in decades, because the games of recent years haven't appealed to them.  Sorry its not nostalgia, its finding a game that she considered quality and that appealed to her.  Just because Mario is the game that appealed to her in the past doesn't mean its nostalgia, but that she found mario gameplay to be quality, to appeal to her, and now she found more Mario that appealed and was quality.

Then why did she not play any other Mario games SNES and onwards? Why did she not play Mario 64 or Galaxy?

Obviously she thought that the game would be fun and so you can somewhat argue that she bought it for quality. But that's a very weak and unsatisfying because she didn't check the reviews at all, and would have probably bought it if it got bad reviews anyway.

She was appealed by the fact that she hasn't played Mario in a while, and that modern games are simply so fucking complex and confusing (She hated analog sticks for LBP and the realistic physics). She just wanted to relive the times in her twenties when she would stay up until AM and play Mario.

What realistic physics? Not the jumping physics? not the floaty box physics?



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