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stof on 02 January 2010
Kasz216 said:

So it's basically a hate crime law. Stupid, but not really out of the ordinary for Europe, except who in particular it protects.

Really "hate speech" laws should go in general.

That's not really a hate crime law, it's a blasphemy law. blasphemy and hate speech are very different. For Instance:

"The bible is full of ridiculous crap" - Blasphemy.

"Christians should be burned alive" - hate speech.

ridiculing a belief (or ridiculing an object of belief, as many followers of a religion may still blashpeme against it by criticizing their own god or church) is far different than inciting hatred towards a group of people.

 



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Kasz216 on 02 January 2010
stof said:
Kasz216 said:

So it's basically a hate crime law. Stupid, but not really out of the ordinary for Europe, except who in particular it protects.

Really "hate speech" laws should go in general.

That's not really a hate crime law, it's a blasphemy law. blasphemy and hate speech are very different. For Instance:

"The bible is full of ridiculous crap" - Blasphemy.

"Christians should be burned alive" - hate speech.

ridiculing a belief (or ridiculing an object of belief, as many followers of a religion may still blashpeme against it by criticizing their own god or church) is far different than inciting hatred towards a group of people.

 

Nah, not in all countries.  In a lot of countries hate speech if something as simple as "All jewish people are liers."

Saying "The bible is full of crap" would be like saying "All christians are idiots."

 

Either is holding an entire group of people in contempt.



SciFiBoy on 02 January 2010

wow, the Irish government must have gone crazy, that's just plain stupid!



bimmylee on 02 January 2010

Unbelievable. I may not agree with atheism, but I sure as hell support the atheists in the context of this matter.



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SuperAdrianK on 02 January 2010

BLASPHEMY!!!11!!1

Crazy aint it... and yes the athiest gets my support for this time around, unless they sink at their level...




              

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TX109 on 02 January 2010

The atheists have my support this time. A blasphemy law... that's just scary.
What denotes blasphemy in this case? And what are the punishments?



                                                                                                  
BigBoobieHead on 02 January 2010

It'l probably only come into play if some1 draws a picture of Jesus sucking off Joseph or something extreme like that, you get the point. I doubt it will be used with common phrases like 'Oh my God' or 'Sweet Jesus.'



stof on 02 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
stof said:
Kasz216 said:

So it's basically a hate crime law. Stupid, but not really out of the ordinary for Europe, except who in particular it protects.

Really "hate speech" laws should go in general.

That's not really a hate crime law, it's a blasphemy law. blasphemy and hate speech are very different. For Instance:

"The bible is full of ridiculous crap" - Blasphemy.

"Christians should be burned alive" - hate speech.

ridiculing a belief (or ridiculing an object of belief, as many followers of a religion may still blashpeme against it by criticizing their own god or church) is far different than inciting hatred towards a group of people.

 

Nah, not in all countries.  In a lot of countries hate speech if something as simple as "All jewish people are liers."

Saying "The bible is full of crap" would be like saying "All christians are idiots."

 

Either is holding an entire group of people in contempt.

um... I see a huge difference between criticizing an idea and insulting a person. 

 



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supercat on 03 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
stof said:
Kasz216 said:

So it's basically a hate crime law. Stupid, but not really out of the ordinary for Europe, except who in particular it protects.

Really "hate speech" laws should go in general.

That's not really a hate crime law, it's a blasphemy law. blasphemy and hate speech are very different. For Instance:

"The bible is full of ridiculous crap" - Blasphemy.

"Christians should be burned alive" - hate speech.

ridiculing a belief (or ridiculing an object of belief, as many followers of a religion may still blashpeme against it by criticizing their own god or church) is far different than inciting hatred towards a group of people.

 

Nah, not in all countries.  In a lot of countries hate speech if something as simple as "All jewish people are liers."

Saying "The bible is full of crap" would be like saying "All christians are idiots."

 

Either is holding an entire group of people in contempt.

Yeah, Europe has broad reaching anti semitism laws, which is what you might be referring to.  I've googled this irish blasphemy thing, and it seems to be an effort to protect the catholics..... so i'm guessing that while in theory a jewish person could be protected with this, it's going to be used on people who diss the catholics.  At the very least the athiest group wouldnt be making a fuss if this was to protect jews/ muslims or any other minority religious group.  Just sayin.



mrstickball on 03 January 2010
stof said:
Kasz216 said:
stof said:
Kasz216 said:

So it's basically a hate crime law. Stupid, but not really out of the ordinary for Europe, except who in particular it protects.

Really "hate speech" laws should go in general.

That's not really a hate crime law, it's a blasphemy law. blasphemy and hate speech are very different. For Instance:

"The bible is full of ridiculous crap" - Blasphemy.

"Christians should be burned alive" - hate speech.

ridiculing a belief (or ridiculing an object of belief, as many followers of a religion may still blashpeme against it by criticizing their own god or church) is far different than inciting hatred towards a group of people.

 

Nah, not in all countries.  In a lot of countries hate speech if something as simple as "All jewish people are liers."

Saying "The bible is full of crap" would be like saying "All christians are idiots."

 

Either is holding an entire group of people in contempt.

um... I see a huge difference between criticizing an idea and insulting a person.

I don't think you understand what hate speech is, Stof:

Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality ...

(from google define: hate speech). It doesn't have to involve threats.

By that definition, they are very similar. The only difference is who they are protecting. Hate speech laws usually protect minorities from the majority, and blasphemy laws protect the majority from the minority. Both are dumb.



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