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JaggedSac on 29 December 2009

It's kinda good you guys are bitching about this, it is quite a dull period for gaming news.



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slowmo on 29 December 2009
naznatips said:
slowmo said:
naznatips said:
scat398 said:
I'm glad that I get the option to buy a game on my 360 or my pc and I'm glad ms gives me that option. I picked up dragon age for the pc, but I'll be getting mass effect 2 for the 360.

Also, glad to have you back legend that last was just wrong.

Out of curiosity is there any particular reason you are buying ME on 360 instead of PC? I'm assuming they'll fix the issues the first ME had on 360 that were patched out of the cleaned up PC version, so it will probably be just as good on either platform. Just wondering if there was any particular reason you wanted it on 360. 

PS: It's cool of Bioware to let you use your Blood Dragon Armor code from Dragon Age in any version of Mass Effect, regardless of what platform you bought Dragon Age on.


I can't speak for him Naz but I have a pretty decent gaming PC setup and I'll be buying it on 360 too.  My reason is simply that a game like ME2 I'll be putting 30+ hours in easily I'd imagine so I'll play it on the 360 where I can share my experience with friends also playing.  My PC is hooked up to a 24" monitor (1920x1200) and has 7.1 surround sound while my 360 is hooked up to a 720p 32" TV with 5.1 so I am not experiencing anything like the same visual fidelity I could by choosing the 360 but it will be more than good enough for me to enjoy the experience and thats what counts to me.  I cannot lie that I enjoy the achievement factor in my 360 games either.

I think in terms of gameplay the PC would be identical so to me its whether the graphics factor is more important than achievements and playing with your Live mates in a party imo, some will think yes, others no I guess.

Fair enough. I hope however if you get Dragon Age you don't pick that up on 360. While Mass Effect's play differences would be limited to mouse vs. analog shooting Dragon Age plays massively different (and much worse) on 360. 

Not looked into Dragon Age yet as I have a huge backlog of games to work through, probably would be a PC buy though.



dharh on 29 December 2009

The _only_ thing I care about is whether or not my X360 red rings. I'm perfectly happy with the X360s exclusives. I even buy multi-platform FPS games for my X360 because that's specifically what the X360 is about for me.



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dahuman on 29 December 2009
loves2splooge said:
Xelloss said:
scat398 said:
Jordahn you have completly misread his post. He wants to know why ps and pc gamers complain so much about ms console exclusives since they are available on the pc. I think it's a valid question? How did you come to the conclusion that you did, it really is a straight forward position.

Where have PC gamers complained about console exclusives that are available on the PC? I cannot think of one incident of that off the top of my head. I can think of some cases where the dev will butcher the PC version in some fashion, and people will bitch about that... same as if a dev butchered the 360 version, it would have some complaints.

 

 But I think someone cooked up an argument against an imaginary foe for the sake of having an argument, is how it looks from here.

I think what everyone making this argument is referring to (it seems like the ones making the argument that PS3 and PC owners complain about console exclusives are not communicating their message properly) are the PS3/PC owners who say that the 360 doesn't have any good exclusives because they are all on PC (which is false). Like I've mentioned before in this thread, the 360 does have a number of exclusives, quality ones at that. Just a bit less. PS3 has 160 true exclusives, 360 has 119 true exclusives. So the PS3 has about one-third more exclusives but with the way that fanboys talk, you'd think the PS3 had loads more. So technically the 360 has more true exclusives (119) than console exclusives (75). PS3 fanboys that say that the 360 doesn't have many quality exclusives are either ignorant or they feel that they have to make up lies to justify not getting the console (which is quite sad. If you don't want the console because you want to save money for more PS3 or PC games instead of buying another piece of hardware or you dont have the time to game on yet another platform or you really absolutely don't find any merit in any of those 119 exclusives for whatever reason, then don't get it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to get it.)

Source (for the numbers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

you know, if the comparison was something like sony has 9 exclusives vs the 360's 6 exclusives, then the 1/3 is prolly not a big deal, but uh, that's 41 more, not just 3 more..... so it really is a lot more lol. ratio is not something the consumers would usually see, but rather, how many more in actual numbers, 41 is not exactly a small number when counting exclusive games.



dahuman on 29 December 2009
Badassbab said:
naznatips said:
Badassbab said:
Any serious gamer would own both HD consoles. I don't bother with PC, my Acer Aspire 6530G which cost more than my Elite and Slim combined can barely play any newish game at a decent graphical setting. I'd gladely play Mass Effect 2 on my 360 + leather couch + HD TV + 5.1 surround sound than slouching over a keyboard sitting a 1 feet away from the monitor. The experiance is just not the same.

Probably cause you bought a freaking Acer Aspire. You can't damn a gaming platform because of your inability to make informed purchase decisions. 

Also it's really not hard at all to connect a computer to a TV and use a wireless keyboard and mouse or gamepad to experience the game the exact same way you would with your consoles but with much higher resolution and better graphics. Seriously a toddler can do it. If you can hook your consoles up to your TV you can hook your PC up. 

I didn't buy the laptop to game but seriously for that kind of money I would've expected it to at least match 2005/06 console specs. The only thing it's lacking is a decent graphics card but being a laptop they are not as simple to upgrade. Also I'm talking costs here too. Yeah I can fork out hundreds of more pounds for extra accessories, have a big ass tower, printer, scanner etc next to my TV with loads of wires cluttering the place up or I can fork out more and go completely wireless....no a toddler can't do all that, it's a big waste of time and money, needs upgrading every six months, needs TLC (disk defragmenting, virus scans, downloading and installing updates etc etc). Count me out. PC's are great for strategy and MMORPG but for everything else I'd rather a dedicated gaming platform. I have tons of console exclusives that I'd much rather play over PC exclusives and even if they did come out on PC, it would take a monster Alienware esque PC to run it.

uh, I do major upgrades like every 4 years, which is pretty close to a console cycle, you buy shit and you have to constantly upgrade when all you'd need to do is build something decent on your own that'd last awhile, it's getting really easy to build systems nowadays, unlike, 10 years ago where what you'd be saying would be true, things are now cheaper, faster, more powerful, more flexible, and very easy to put together in general, I just helped a friend of mine with building a very decent powerful PC for around 700 USD totalling out(Core i5, 4gigs of 1333, Radeon 5770, new case, 600W power supply, 500gig barracuda drive, dvd burner, gigabyte ud3r board, and a free 4gig thumb drive! thank you newegg! the whole nine yards,) but you did say pounds, so it might not be as cheap over there, if that's the case, then yeah, stick to consoles if you are on a budget.



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loves2splooge on 29 December 2009
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
Xelloss said:
scat398 said:
Jordahn you have completly misread his post. He wants to know why ps and pc gamers complain so much about ms console exclusives since they are available on the pc. I think it's a valid question? How did you come to the conclusion that you did, it really is a straight forward position.

Where have PC gamers complained about console exclusives that are available on the PC? I cannot think of one incident of that off the top of my head. I can think of some cases where the dev will butcher the PC version in some fashion, and people will bitch about that... same as if a dev butchered the 360 version, it would have some complaints.

 

 But I think someone cooked up an argument against an imaginary foe for the sake of having an argument, is how it looks from here.

I think what everyone making this argument is referring to (it seems like the ones making the argument that PS3 and PC owners complain about console exclusives are not communicating their message properly) are the PS3/PC owners who say that the 360 doesn't have any good exclusives because they are all on PC (which is false). Like I've mentioned before in this thread, the 360 does have a number of exclusives, quality ones at that. Just a bit less. PS3 has 160 true exclusives, 360 has 119 true exclusives. So the PS3 has about one-third more exclusives but with the way that fanboys talk, you'd think the PS3 had loads more. So technically the 360 has more true exclusives (119) than console exclusives (75). PS3 fanboys that say that the 360 doesn't have many quality exclusives are either ignorant or they feel that they have to make up lies to justify not getting the console (which is quite sad. If you don't want the console because you want to save money for more PS3 or PC games instead of buying another piece of hardware or you dont have the time to game on yet another platform or you really absolutely don't find any merit in any of those 119 exclusives for whatever reason, then don't get it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to get it.)

Source (for the numbers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

you know, if the comparison was something like sony has 9 exclusives vs the 360's 6 exclusives, then the 1/3 is prolly not a big deal, but uh, that's 41 more, not just 3 more..... so it really is a lot more lol. ratio is not something the consumers would usually see, but rather, how many more in actual numbers, 41 is not exactly a small number when counting exclusive games.

As if 119 true exclusives is a small selection to begin with right? 41 compared to 119 is just a third. I can't believe anyone would complain about "only" 119 exclusives compared to 160. The extent to which fanboys will go is amazing.



dahuman on 29 December 2009
loves2splooge said:
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
Xelloss said:
scat398 said:
Jordahn you have completly misread his post. He wants to know why ps and pc gamers complain so much about ms console exclusives since they are available on the pc. I think it's a valid question? How did you come to the conclusion that you did, it really is a straight forward position.

Where have PC gamers complained about console exclusives that are available on the PC? I cannot think of one incident of that off the top of my head. I can think of some cases where the dev will butcher the PC version in some fashion, and people will bitch about that... same as if a dev butchered the 360 version, it would have some complaints.

 

 But I think someone cooked up an argument against an imaginary foe for the sake of having an argument, is how it looks from here.

I think what everyone making this argument is referring to (it seems like the ones making the argument that PS3 and PC owners complain about console exclusives are not communicating their message properly) are the PS3/PC owners who say that the 360 doesn't have any good exclusives because they are all on PC (which is false). Like I've mentioned before in this thread, the 360 does have a number of exclusives, quality ones at that. Just a bit less. PS3 has 160 true exclusives, 360 has 119 true exclusives. So the PS3 has about one-third more exclusives but with the way that fanboys talk, you'd think the PS3 had loads more. So technically the 360 has more true exclusives (119) than console exclusives (75). PS3 fanboys that say that the 360 doesn't have many quality exclusives are either ignorant or they feel that they have to make up lies to justify not getting the console (which is quite sad. If you don't want the console because you want to save money for more PS3 or PC games instead of buying another piece of hardware or you dont have the time to game on yet another platform or you really absolutely don't find any merit in any of those 119 exclusives for whatever reason, then don't get it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to get it.)

Source (for the numbers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

you know, if the comparison was something like sony has 9 exclusives vs the 360's 6 exclusives, then the 1/3 is prolly not a big deal, but uh, that's 41 more, not just 3 more..... so it really is a lot more lol. ratio is not something the consumers would usually see, but rather, how many more in actual numbers, 41 is not exactly a small number when counting exclusive games.

As if 119 true exclusives is a small selection to begin with right? 41 compared to 119 is just a third. I can't believe anyone would complain about "only" 119 exclusives compared to 160. The extent to which fanboys will go is amazing.

that part is pretty absurd yes, 119 is by no means a small number and that is not an arguement that fanboys should be using, but fanboys will be fanboys. 41 more is quiet a lot more considering that you do have a lot more selection is all I'm saying. as a consumer who's also a PC gamer, I'd most likely pick the PS3 over the 360 for that reason alone since I pretty much don't play FPS on consoles, ever, unless it's beta or free =P.



loves2splooge on 29 December 2009
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
Xelloss said:
scat398 said:
Jordahn you have completly misread his post. He wants to know why ps and pc gamers complain so much about ms console exclusives since they are available on the pc. I think it's a valid question? How did you come to the conclusion that you did, it really is a straight forward position.

Where have PC gamers complained about console exclusives that are available on the PC? I cannot think of one incident of that off the top of my head. I can think of some cases where the dev will butcher the PC version in some fashion, and people will bitch about that... same as if a dev butchered the 360 version, it would have some complaints.

 

 But I think someone cooked up an argument against an imaginary foe for the sake of having an argument, is how it looks from here.

I think what everyone making this argument is referring to (it seems like the ones making the argument that PS3 and PC owners complain about console exclusives are not communicating their message properly) are the PS3/PC owners who say that the 360 doesn't have any good exclusives because they are all on PC (which is false). Like I've mentioned before in this thread, the 360 does have a number of exclusives, quality ones at that. Just a bit less. PS3 has 160 true exclusives, 360 has 119 true exclusives. So the PS3 has about one-third more exclusives but with the way that fanboys talk, you'd think the PS3 had loads more. So technically the 360 has more true exclusives (119) than console exclusives (75). PS3 fanboys that say that the 360 doesn't have many quality exclusives are either ignorant or they feel that they have to make up lies to justify not getting the console (which is quite sad. If you don't want the console because you want to save money for more PS3 or PC games instead of buying another piece of hardware or you dont have the time to game on yet another platform or you really absolutely don't find any merit in any of those 119 exclusives for whatever reason, then don't get it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to get it.)

Source (for the numbers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

you know, if the comparison was something like sony has 9 exclusives vs the 360's 6 exclusives, then the 1/3 is prolly not a big deal, but uh, that's 41 more, not just 3 more..... so it really is a lot more lol. ratio is not something the consumers would usually see, but rather, how many more in actual numbers, 41 is not exactly a small number when counting exclusive games.

As if 119 true exclusives is a small selection to begin with right? 41 compared to 119 is just a third. I can't believe anyone would complain about "only" 119 exclusives compared to 160. The extent to which fanboys will go is amazing.

that part is pretty absurd yes, 119 is by no means a small number and that is not an arguement that fanboys should be using, but fanboys will be fanboys. 41 more is quiet a lot more considering that you do have a lot more selection is all I'm saying. as a consumer who's also a PC gamer, I'd most likely pick the PS3 over the 360 for that reason alone since I pretty much don't play FPS on consoles, ever, unless it's beta or free =P.

The 360, even after discounting console exclusives (75 to PS3's 9), has a greater selection of games than the PS3. So since when do consumers have more choices on the PS3? 736 on 360 vs. 558 games for PS3. If you take away the console exclusive advantage, that's 112 more games. You're looking at more selection of true exclusives. But do you only play exclusives on your consoles? I doubt it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_xbox_360_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

As for FPS, the PS3 does have Resistance 1 + 2, Killzone 2, Socom, etc. The "shooterbox" thing doesn't fly anymore. FPS sells better on the 360. That's about it.



dahuman on 29 December 2009
loves2splooge said:
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
Xelloss said:
scat398 said:
Jordahn you have completly misread his post. He wants to know why ps and pc gamers complain so much about ms console exclusives since they are available on the pc. I think it's a valid question? How did you come to the conclusion that you did, it really is a straight forward position.

Where have PC gamers complained about console exclusives that are available on the PC? I cannot think of one incident of that off the top of my head. I can think of some cases where the dev will butcher the PC version in some fashion, and people will bitch about that... same as if a dev butchered the 360 version, it would have some complaints.

 

 But I think someone cooked up an argument against an imaginary foe for the sake of having an argument, is how it looks from here.

I think what everyone making this argument is referring to (it seems like the ones making the argument that PS3 and PC owners complain about console exclusives are not communicating their message properly) are the PS3/PC owners who say that the 360 doesn't have any good exclusives because they are all on PC (which is false). Like I've mentioned before in this thread, the 360 does have a number of exclusives, quality ones at that. Just a bit less. PS3 has 160 true exclusives, 360 has 119 true exclusives. So the PS3 has about one-third more exclusives but with the way that fanboys talk, you'd think the PS3 had loads more. So technically the 360 has more true exclusives (119) than console exclusives (75). PS3 fanboys that say that the 360 doesn't have many quality exclusives are either ignorant or they feel that they have to make up lies to justify not getting the console (which is quite sad. If you don't want the console because you want to save money for more PS3 or PC games instead of buying another piece of hardware or you dont have the time to game on yet another platform or you really absolutely don't find any merit in any of those 119 exclusives for whatever reason, then don't get it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to get it.)

Source (for the numbers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

you know, if the comparison was something like sony has 9 exclusives vs the 360's 6 exclusives, then the 1/3 is prolly not a big deal, but uh, that's 41 more, not just 3 more..... so it really is a lot more lol. ratio is not something the consumers would usually see, but rather, how many more in actual numbers, 41 is not exactly a small number when counting exclusive games.

As if 119 true exclusives is a small selection to begin with right? 41 compared to 119 is just a third. I can't believe anyone would complain about "only" 119 exclusives compared to 160. The extent to which fanboys will go is amazing.

that part is pretty absurd yes, 119 is by no means a small number and that is not an arguement that fanboys should be using, but fanboys will be fanboys. 41 more is quiet a lot more considering that you do have a lot more selection is all I'm saying. as a consumer who's also a PC gamer, I'd most likely pick the PS3 over the 360 for that reason alone since I pretty much don't play FPS on consoles, ever, unless it's beta or free =P.

The 360, even after discounting console exclusives (75 to PS3's 9), has a greater selection of games than the PS3. So since when do consumers have more choices on the PS3? 736 on 360 vs. 558 games for PS3. If you take away the console exclusive advantage, that's 112 more games. You're looking at more selection of true exclusives. But do you only play exclusives on your consoles? I doubt it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_xbox_360_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

As for FPS, the PS3 does have Resistance 1 + 2, Killzone 2, Socom, etc. The "shooterbox" thing doesn't fly anymore. FPS sells better on the 360. That's about it.

did you completely ignore that I'm also a PC gamer part? =P



loves2splooge on 29 December 2009
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
dahuman said:
loves2splooge said:
Xelloss said:
scat398 said:
Jordahn you have completly misread his post. He wants to know why ps and pc gamers complain so much about ms console exclusives since they are available on the pc. I think it's a valid question? How did you come to the conclusion that you did, it really is a straight forward position.

Where have PC gamers complained about console exclusives that are available on the PC? I cannot think of one incident of that off the top of my head. I can think of some cases where the dev will butcher the PC version in some fashion, and people will bitch about that... same as if a dev butchered the 360 version, it would have some complaints.

 

 But I think someone cooked up an argument against an imaginary foe for the sake of having an argument, is how it looks from here.

I think what everyone making this argument is referring to (it seems like the ones making the argument that PS3 and PC owners complain about console exclusives are not communicating their message properly) are the PS3/PC owners who say that the 360 doesn't have any good exclusives because they are all on PC (which is false). Like I've mentioned before in this thread, the 360 does have a number of exclusives, quality ones at that. Just a bit less. PS3 has 160 true exclusives, 360 has 119 true exclusives. So the PS3 has about one-third more exclusives but with the way that fanboys talk, you'd think the PS3 had loads more. So technically the 360 has more true exclusives (119) than console exclusives (75). PS3 fanboys that say that the 360 doesn't have many quality exclusives are either ignorant or they feel that they have to make up lies to justify not getting the console (which is quite sad. If you don't want the console because you want to save money for more PS3 or PC games instead of buying another piece of hardware or you dont have the time to game on yet another platform or you really absolutely don't find any merit in any of those 119 exclusives for whatever reason, then don't get it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to get it.)

Source (for the numbers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

you know, if the comparison was something like sony has 9 exclusives vs the 360's 6 exclusives, then the 1/3 is prolly not a big deal, but uh, that's 41 more, not just 3 more..... so it really is a lot more lol. ratio is not something the consumers would usually see, but rather, how many more in actual numbers, 41 is not exactly a small number when counting exclusive games.

As if 119 true exclusives is a small selection to begin with right? 41 compared to 119 is just a third. I can't believe anyone would complain about "only" 119 exclusives compared to 160. The extent to which fanboys will go is amazing.

that part is pretty absurd yes, 119 is by no means a small number and that is not an arguement that fanboys should be using, but fanboys will be fanboys. 41 more is quiet a lot more considering that you do have a lot more selection is all I'm saying. as a consumer who's also a PC gamer, I'd most likely pick the PS3 over the 360 for that reason alone since I pretty much don't play FPS on consoles, ever, unless it's beta or free =P.

The 360, even after discounting console exclusives (75 to PS3's 9), has a greater selection of games than the PS3. So since when do consumers have more choices on the PS3? 736 on 360 vs. 558 games for PS3. If you take away the console exclusive advantage, that's 112 more games. You're looking at more selection of true exclusives. But do you only play exclusives on your consoles? I doubt it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_xbox_360_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

As for FPS, the PS3 does have Resistance 1 + 2, Killzone 2, Socom, etc. The "shooterbox" thing doesn't fly anymore. FPS sells better on the 360. That's about it.

did you completely ignore that I'm also a PC gamer part? =P

Did you completely ignore how I excluded console exclusives (360/PC and PS3/PC) when making my point? ;)