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BMaker11 said:
heruamon said:
Porcupine_I said:
i thought the CGI looked great, but am i the only one who thought they could have hired a more talented artist for the "Comic" Sequences? They actually looked horrible!

The games is pretty far out from release, so maybe they still doing some polishing.  Ohh...that beast riding thing was cool...did they "steal" that from God of War as well?

Yep....Kratos beats up on, then takes over giant cyclopses. There's absolutely nothing in DI that's not in GoW

That's pretty bad...lol.



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naznatips said:
heruamon said:
naznatips said:

Bayonetta I can see being called better than God of War, but as someone who played all 3 demoes and all the God of War games I don't think Dante's Inferno was even as good as God of War 1. It was bad. Very bad. Gameplay was horrible, plot of the game was some sick bastardization of the epic poem reworked to show as much boobs and guts as possible, and it lacked any of the clever setting of God of War.

See, while Kratos may be a meathead, God of War is actually pretty accurate to the coniving bastards that the Greek Pantheon was in the original Greek epics, and deserves credit for a pretty successful recreation of ancient Greece and its mythology.

Dante's Inferno plays like someone read the cliff notes to the poem, then said "you know what, fuck this. Copy the names of characters and scrap everything else."

So, God of War is a great take on Greek Pantheon...lol..I'll beg to differ on that.  After playing DI, it's a bit over the top, kinda like Bayonetta, but I am curious by this statement "...I don't think Dante's Inferno was even as good as God of War 1..."in what way? 

Well, first of all, I'm half Greek and grew up on the Greek epics. Jason and the Argonauts was literally a bedtime story for me, so I seriously doubt you have the knowledge to argue with me on the Greek Pantheon. If you're complaining about it changing the history of the Greek Pantheon, almost every single story in it was in conflict with another, so there is no complete history, and characters were added and history changed with every new story. What you can follow on the Greek Pantheon are characterizations, which God of War was quite accurate on most of the time.

As for it not being as good as God of War 1, I'd begin with the mediocre combat. An attempt to copy God of War, it's not nearly as smooth and the combos aren't nearly as interesting. In addition the enemies lack any early variety, and the first boss fight was nothing but a pathetic guard and slash. The scale is pathetic compared to GoW, and the setting an extremely shallow, poor, and fractured representation of the Divine Comedy, which the developers have even dropped the theme of completely. I'd carry on with the forgettable music and the mediocre graphics (for this generation), and end with the fractured pacing broken plot delivery.

I also find it insulting to Bayonetta to compare it to this.

Hope that answers your questions.

Well, I’ve got ZERO Greek blood in me, but I'm not arguing with you over the history of Greek Pantheon...I'm saying God Of War is like one of those "Based on a true stories" movies...I'm not judging how Good or Bad it is, just that they basically did what they wanted to do with it.  DI is basically taking “artistic liberties” with Divine Comedy, and I can certainly understand someone trying to complain about how closely it copies God Of War, but it’s a far stretch to say it somehow diverges totally from it’s source, as compared to God Of War…my question to you is how?  Also, you've judged the ENTIRE plot of the game based on the demo?



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I think we should be positive about this because look at the brightside out of the the Major Publishers
EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Take Two.
Until recently EA has given the PS3 a lot of support.
Fifa game do better on PS3, they even said themselves maybe we made a mistake supporting PS3 so much yet they still do it. So I like them for that.



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d21lewis said:
Honestly, do JRPG makers even realize how hard it is to save the world? That shit is impossible!

 

 

 

heruamon said:

Well, I’ve got ZERO Greek blood in me, but I'm not arguing with you over the history of Greek Pantheon...I'm saying God Of War is like one of those "Based on a true stories" movies...I'm not judging how Good or Bad it is, just that they basically did what they wanted to do with it.  DI is basically taking “artistic liberties” with Divine Comedy, and I can certainly understand someone trying to complain about how closely it copies God Of War, but it’s a far stretch to say it somehow diverges totally from it’s source, as compared to God Of War…my question to you is how?  Also, you've judged the ENTIRE plot of the game based on the demo?

Did you ever read Inferno?



It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.



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DI is the ammo the 360 fans will use (for the most part) against GOW3 on the PS3's side, just like the Prototype vs InFamous (which just about every publication/site places InFamous above Prototype :) ). Will DI suck? Nah, it has some potential for a hack and slash. The visuals are not convincing at all though as GOW2 from the GOW collection looks as good, if not, better. GOW series has the fluidity this DI demo doesn't. Bayonetta is a different category to GOW, and tbh, no I didn't like Bayonetta (jap import), the story is mediocre at best and they tried wayyyyy too hard with the lead character (which has little personality to me). Yea Bayonetta was made by the guy behind a portion of the DMC series, BUT DMC3 wasn't made by him and that is the BEST DMC in the series. Bayonetta is DMC meets Viewtiful Joe. Good game imo yes, great game...no. Fast paced? yea it is, but I still prefer GOW2 over Bayo. My apologies if it pisses anyone off, it's just my views so I will not try to speak for everyone.



heruamon said:
naznatips said:
heruamon said:
naznatips said:

Bayonetta I can see being called better than God of War, but as someone who played all 3 demoes and all the God of War games I don't think Dante's Inferno was even as good as God of War 1. It was bad. Very bad. Gameplay was horrible, plot of the game was some sick bastardization of the epic poem reworked to show as much boobs and guts as possible, and it lacked any of the clever setting of God of War.

See, while Kratos may be a meathead, God of War is actually pretty accurate to the coniving bastards that the Greek Pantheon was in the original Greek epics, and deserves credit for a pretty successful recreation of ancient Greece and its mythology.

Dante's Inferno plays like someone read the cliff notes to the poem, then said "you know what, fuck this. Copy the names of characters and scrap everything else."

So, God of War is a great take on Greek Pantheon...lol..I'll beg to differ on that.  After playing DI, it's a bit over the top, kinda like Bayonetta, but I am curious by this statement "...I don't think Dante's Inferno was even as good as God of War 1..."in what way? 

Well, first of all, I'm half Greek and grew up on the Greek epics. Jason and the Argonauts was literally a bedtime story for me, so I seriously doubt you have the knowledge to argue with me on the Greek Pantheon. If you're complaining about it changing the history of the Greek Pantheon, almost every single story in it was in conflict with another, so there is no complete history, and characters were added and history changed with every new story. What you can follow on the Greek Pantheon are characterizations, which God of War was quite accurate on most of the time.

As for it not being as good as God of War 1, I'd begin with the mediocre combat. An attempt to copy God of War, it's not nearly as smooth and the combos aren't nearly as interesting. In addition the enemies lack any early variety, and the first boss fight was nothing but a pathetic guard and slash. The scale is pathetic compared to GoW, and the setting an extremely shallow, poor, and fractured representation of the Divine Comedy, which the developers have even dropped the theme of completely. I'd carry on with the forgettable music and the mediocre graphics (for this generation), and end with the fractured pacing broken plot delivery.

I also find it insulting to Bayonetta to compare it to this.

Hope that answers your questions.

Well, I’ve got ZERO Greek blood in me, but I'm not arguing with you over the history of Greek Pantheon...I'm saying God Of War is like one of those "Based on a true stories" movies...I'm not judging how Good or Bad it is, just that they basically did what they wanted to do with it.  DI is basically taking “artistic liberties” with Divine Comedy, and I can certainly understand someone trying to complain about how closely it copies God Of War, but it’s a far stretch to say it somehow diverges totally from it’s source, as compared to God Of War…my question to you is how?  Also, you've judged the ENTIRE plot of the game based on the demo?

Since i didn't finish the demo, for obvious reasons. The only thing that i took out of the whole thing. Is that you are chasing some tits, and trying to get them back. At least in god of war you didn't have to work so hard for it. :)))))



naznatips said:
It's hard to explain the Divine Comedy to someone who never read it, because it's an enormously involved tale, but, here's the short version:

Dante's Inferno is a political Allegory following Dante himself... a fucking poet, as he strolls through the levels of hell making observations about the nature of religion and existence. The creatures he sees are nothing but metaphors for these observations. Beatrice, in the Divine Comedy, was nothing but his guide in the final part of the Comedy, Paradiso. Dante was certainly NOT a warrior, nor was he battling through hell and killing the Grim Reaper. For christ's sake Dante faints when they first cross the lake into the first level of hell.

The plot of Dante being some soldier who cheated on Beatrice and is chasing her soul into hell is pretty ridiculous, and there is no reason to turn a poem into a bloody action game. Hell they could have easily made an adventure game and actually kept the plot in tact and it would have been much better. What they did make was just a REALLY bad excuse to clone God of War.

@ Khuutra

Yep...I suffered thru it in both HS and College.

@ naznatips

I think we can fully agree on the extreme stretching involved in turning a mild mannered Poet into a raging God of War (you like that pun...huh), but I suspended my belief right around the time I heard about the and said to myself "...WTF...wasn't this guy a poet?..."  I just think anyone can judge the game, based on it's alignment to source material, especially when comparing it to Kratos fighting Zeus?!?!?!  We start slipping into the arguing on how World War Hulk can Beat Superman.  If you say DI is worst than God of War 1...I really can't debate that...I can say the demo looked okay to me, and I'll try it when it comes out...BTW...where is Hercules in God of War storyline?

BTW...I did some homework and watch youtube of God of War 3..yeah...Dante's Inferno is pretty much a blatant copy of it...but isn't that a good thing?



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- From By Schism Rent Asunder

heruamon said:

@ Khuutra

Yep...I suffered thru it in both HS and College.

@ naznatips

I think we can fully agree on the extreme stretching involved in turning a mild mannered Poet into a raging God of War (you like that pun...huh), but I suspended my belief right around the time I heard about the and said to myself "...WTF...wasn't this guy a poet?..."  I just think anyone can judge the game, based on it's alignment to source material, especially when comparing it to Kratos fighting Zeus?!?!?!  We start slipping into the arguing on how World War Hulk can Beat Superman.  If you say DI is worst than God of War 1...I really can't debate that...I can say the demo looked okay to me, and I'll try it when it comes out...BTW...where is Hercules in God of War storyline?

Then I don't see how the incongruity slips by you. Dante was damn near anemic, a person swept along on a hellstorm of circumstances that were beyond his control. He had very little agency in the whole thing.



Khuutra said:
heruamon said:

@ Khuutra

Yep...I suffered thru it in both HS and College.

@ naznatips

I think we can fully agree on the extreme stretching involved in turning a mild mannered Poet into a raging God of War (you like that pun...huh), but I suspended my belief right around the time I heard about the and said to myself "...WTF...wasn't this guy a poet?..."  I just think anyone can judge the game, based on it's alignment to source material, especially when comparing it to Kratos fighting Zeus?!?!?!  We start slipping into the arguing on how World War Hulk can Beat Superman.  If you say DI is worst than God of War 1...I really can't debate that...I can say the demo looked okay to me, and I'll try it when it comes out...BTW...where is Hercules in God of War storyline?

Then I don't see how the incongruity slips by you. Dante was damn near anemic, a person swept along on a hellstorm of circumstances that were beyond his control. He had very little agency in the whole thing.


It's a game...don't you think you're going a little too deep?  I'm still confused as to what the problem is here?

Oooh, but...Wolverine, Conan, Viking and a host of other games are very similiar as well...why didn't those cause as much of a stir amongst the God of War faithful?



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder