Sony can't distinguish itself with it's wiimote copy.  Microsoft has lighting in a bottle in their hands and it's theirs to drop or uncork.

edit: it just occured to me that this will be the first generation that has a chance at getting past a quarter of a billion...  the only bad thing is that someone may get destroyed in the process

Is Playstation 3 really any different than the Dreamcast? That's the kind of question the original thread creator is asking, after all they both play games right?

well they had the money to weather through the storm that sega couldn't... so we'll never know

milo it's not Artificial intellegence.

rather preprogrammed input, in the case it's the same as eyetoy.

there is no intelligence the programmer still doing everything.

and natal and ps3eye are both the same technology.

they are both CMOS sensors. ps3 eyetoy its  120fps with multiarray mic.

the difference it's microsoft use a infrared burst to create a image with cpu and custom software, and sony a gyroscope with motion sensors for 1-1 accuracy.

the ps3 can also track movement, they already showed a video of doing something similar to natal,also face recogntion, something sony it's famous for in their digital cameras, and voice recognition it's not working on windows 7, neither will on natal if released in 2010

both better have software to support it i don't see them taking off.

Oh my... Thread is full of stupid fanboyism. Let me explain to you children what is Playstation eye and Natal.

Project Natal is the simple camera with infrared sensor and with its own microprocessor so without processing power it can stand in its own.

Playstation Eye is the same thing that is Eye Toy but "four times the resolution" and "two times the frame-rate" then Eye toy + voice recognition.

Natal and PS Eye are absolutely the same. You just need software update for both so they can work correctly.

For my perspective i understand Sony on why they wanted to make a motion controller to the PS Eye, because without the trigger its is not the same experience. I actually played some PS Eye games and i can say that after five minutes you get bored.

So Natal or PS Eye is nothing special at all. They are the same and can give the same experience. Even with good software lineup, after playing few games you will realise its a bad idea. Playstation Eye and Motion controller is something but if they can give good quality Software. Thats it and Sony's Motion Controller is not a ripoff from Wiimote because you can't say that Sony/Microsoft controllers are rip off... Its just a controller.

And what Playstation Eye with Motion controller do is awesome if only Software and thats the big thing.

Project Natal has it's own hardware so that it doesn't effect the actual system... they are not the same they are not even in the same ballpark.  And the sony controller isn't a ripoff, but it's the same basic thing... they don't expand on it in any way that is meaningful.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is the respective costs. Many of you may have noticed that Sony has been virtually giving away the PSEye recently, as I picked up EyePet for my kid for only £25 including the PSEye....so it seems that Sony is trying to flood the market with PSEye's so that PS3 owners are prepped for the Wand, which will more than likely cost the same as a controller.

Natal on the other hand looks as if it could cost quite alot, unless MS take a huge hit on sales.

Although Natal looks good, I just can't see most people enjoy playing games without a controller of sorts in their hand. It seems that Sony is trying to get a little bit of Natal and a little bit of Wiimote....it could work really well.

The way I see it, Natal's advantage is purely software based, its highly likely that as soon as Natal is released, Sony will be able to emulate alot of the tech employed by it, add in the PS3's up and coming 3D capabilities, we could get some really interesting games.

To say that Natal has any hardware advantage would be naive, looking at the Natal camera, there seems to be little or no difference between it and the PSeye, Sony have already said that they are capable of emulating this kind of thing though to a slightly lesser degree. http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/06/07/ps3s-playstation-eye-vs-xbox-360s-natal/

Its all going to be about precisuion vs depth of field, my criticism would be, how many people have enough space to make use of field depth?

Just finished seeing that video about ps eye and natal.....Sony shud show that video at E3 2010 LOL!!!

jeez, you guys love to argue about stupid things and things that didn't even release.