Really? I feel like I've heard this argument before, about oh, 10,000,000 times. What is it about this thing that gets everyone's panties in such a bunch?

That's not what I understood : Bethesda have Natal Devkits, but he has not tested it. He is being honest here.

Concerning his point of view, well IMHO it is valid : He doesn't bash Natal (in fact if you check some of his posts, he's thrilled to try it) just honestly reporting what he has heard about it and Sony's wands.

Maybe he's wrong, wait and see

@kowenicki : He is a professional graphist (some of his work can be seen in the "Spec Ops : The Line" trailer recently presented at VGA Spike) not a professional bullshitter

Sony has seen the developer commentaries on Natal and the American mass media coverage.

Given that, I find it hard to believe that instead of using the PR/Marketing arm of their company to show everyone how the Playstation Eye does all this already, they rather leave it in the hands of forum goes to spread the word.

The fact that Sony hasn't said anything to combat Natal coverage says tons more than anything that would be mentioned in this thread.

It's not on Sony's habits to enter a media war against competitors. They already tested and used the EyeToy as a motion control peripheral long before Natal came.

They choose to not follow this way. They can be wrong, we'll see.

But if I were you, I would not expect miracles with Natal

Guys, come on, all of you. Can you at least wait until we see some software for both devices? Honestly...

From what I've noticed, it seems that the SDF are the people expecting "miracles" with Natal. It's excellent guerilla trolling on their part, talk about all of the cool things Natal WON'T be able to do, thus downplaying the cool things it will be able to do when it does release. It WON'T be a good controller for FPS, so controlling the dashboard like Minority Report isn't very good, etc. It's rather brilliant in a super useless way, but then again fanboys are pretty useless as a whole anyways. Personally I'll be trying out both Natal and "Gem" (woooah, might want to rethink that name) when they release, provided the price is okay.

Natal seems to be a more sophisticated and technologically advanced version of the Eye-Toy, and I think their might be some theoretical advantages to this approach. I fully believe that Natal hype comes from the Mylo demo which I expect will be just like every other Peter Molyneux which is over-promised and under-delivered; and in most cases the hype talks about a revolutionary breakthrough, and what is delivered is an incremental improvement over what has come before it.

The main thing that may make Natal just like the Playstation eye is the kind of software that will likely be produced for it ... I could be wrong but I suspect that (in the range of) 95% of all software produced for Natal will be ports of games already produced for the Playstation Eye/Eye-Toy or existing camera system; or it would be a direct clone of these games. The other 5% of games might be truly designed around Natal, and if they’re not particularly good, interesting or different from what was produced for the eye-toy Natal will go down as a (probably expensive) clone of an 8+ year old PS2 add-on.

So you were sitting in on their marketing meeting when they decided to allow thier closest competitor to get a ton of free coverage with no response?  OR are you basing this on your view of how altruistic a company that Sony is?  I'd really like to know.

Please stop projecting your loyalty onto others: I never insinuated I expected anything from Natal.  I have no idea what to expect from Natal, but I wont try to mitigate it (or the wands) ability to expand the market, before they have even launched, over some misplaced loyalty issues.

Really?  Did we already forget how Sony loves to make lists?