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Quick analysis:

Koller is bullish on the prospects for PS3 in 2010, and has right to be so. The year will be good to the PS3. However, his answers are often circular and redundant which limits the usefullness of his information.

His claim that Wii will have trouble differentiating itself in the realm of shooters and sports games is inaccurate because Wii has already shown strong examples (MP3, and Tiger Woods for example.) Other than HD graphics it is SONY who will have trouble not looking derivative in this case.

As for Natal, I do not know, but Natal has a strong advantage in "Buzz".

PSPGo, well, I despise it, but it seems to be going well, though his statements are murky at best, so I don't know what his benchmarks really are.



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CGI-Quality said:
dolemit3 said:
This thread must be some kind of a trap, two people banned already.


NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor kitty.



Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kennyheart said:

maybe they do?

No, his comments prove he doesn't he thinks the holy grail is putting people into the game, when that's not what the downmarket wants, the downmarket isn't looking for immersive epics that suck you in

Do you know what the downmarket wants?

Yes, and you can see it too, look at the big games on Wii, they aren't immersive games, they are games you can play for a few minutes and put down, games you can play socially, games that can fit into your life, this is what the downmarket wants

These games are ultimately successful because of the control scheme.  Wii Sports is so successful because the controls are easy to grasp. The Wii Remote isn't an inhibiting factor, like a controller can be in other cases.  For people that don't play games regular, your typical game pad with a plethora of buttons can be very intimidating.  The Wii Remote solves this problem, for the most part.  Swinging the remote like you would a tennis racket makes sense, and it's easier for a first timer than fishing around for a button.

However, just because a person can't get used to a controller easily doesn't mean they wouldn't like a deeper gaming experience than a mini-game collection.  Just look at how successful Resident Evil has been on the Wii.  RE4 on Wii has sold just about as much as the original GC edition, despite being a 4 year old port.  There is definitely a market for such games on the Wii, seemingly form people who haven't played such games before.  This market was formed through the removal of inhibiting factors such as dual analog controls. 

Ultimately, video games are interactive art, and in many cases could be considered interactive movies.  I don't see why these new gamers wouldn't mind playing a game like Uncharted if the controls were made simpler, much like they wouldn't mind watching Indiana Jones or some other adventure film.



PSP Go seems to be great success. I can't wait till they can drop the price to really get those units moving. Especially since they help the bottom line so much. Launch parity is a great move hopefully all 3rd parties will follow suit.

Hopefully critically demanded features include cross game chat.

Motion Control Games- It seems Sony understand my biggest problem with motion controls. when they don't work they throw of my immersion and enjoyment. MLB with the wand should be the shit, hope they can get good integration on the basketball game. Can't wait for the AE4 realease date. Wonder how well their family titles will do or what they even are? Something like win, lose or draw would work well.

No BC is stupid I hate you Sony. Thank god i already have BC PS3.

Wonder what all these unannounced games are?



TheSource said:

I have difficulty believing that he means PSP Go is exceeding their intentions. PSP has been down worldwide by significant amounts against 2008 even with the launch of the Go. In terms of revenue, they may be making more since Go costs an arm and a leg. But for hardware, the PSP forecast was raised, not lowered or held the same from 2008, and just in the USA PSP is down 1/4 in Oct-Nov even with the Go.  It will be down by a quarter or more in December too.

I read it they over estimated demand, but it doing well nonetheless.

I am getting a GO next week.



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TheSource said:

I have difficulty believing that he means PSP Go is exceeding their intentions. PSP has been down worldwide by significant amounts against 2008 even with the launch of the Go. In terms of revenue, they may be making more since Go costs an arm and a leg. But for hardware, the PSP forecast was raised, not lowered or held the same from 2008, and just in the USA PSP is down 1/4 in Oct-Nov even with the Go.  It will be down by a quarter or more in December too.

Excellent point, and as such I would assume he means they are doing better in terms of software sold via PSN than they expected, rather than in terms of hardware.



I think the only thing Natal and The Wand will do is slow the Wii down by a lot.
But not cause it trouble by any means. It will continue to sell well, just not as well mainly due to more competition.



I predict that both Sony's "gem" and Natal will have mild success, sony because the technology isn't laggy / is cheaper , and MS b/c they are simply throwing a lot into it and because MS's sales are concentrated in the US which is the only place where a peripheral could hope to have any kind of success.



Soriku said:
snyperdud said:
I think the only thing Natal and The Wand will do is slow the Wii down by a lot.
But not cause it trouble by any means. It will continue to sell well, just not as well mainly due to more competition.


Hmm...why? The motion controls are launching at the end of 2010 IIRC (I know Natal is). In 2011 the Wii should slow down regardless and the Wii will have been long established by that time anyway and we all know the end of the year is always huge for the Wii, competition or not...

Sony's motes are dropping in Spring.

I honestly don't think the new motion controllers will impact the Wii at all, at least not outside of Japan.  In Japan it could effect the Wii vs ps3 battle, but even then, most people that care about motion control probably own Wiis, given its install base is twice that of the ps3's. 

In Japan it will be the software available for either platofrm that matters the most, like usual.



From what everyone is saying, GOW 3 is going to blow us away. I can't wait.



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