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Forums - Gaming - November NPD = VGChartz Adjustments and 360 outselling PS3 in Americas?!

nightsurge on 11 December 2009
mike_intellivision said:
I think this again shows that NPD has done a great job of convincing everyone of its "invulnerability" when it fact it is an estimation service -- just like VGC.

Admittedly, NPD has a large base of data. But it also does not receive Wal-Mart and ToysRUs information. That alone could cause errors, depending upon how the model accounts for this missing information. For example, if you use last generation, Sony could be overestimated. If you use sales of other stores, Nintendo could be underestimated (check out the Wii display vs. the others at Toys R Us).

Mike from Morgantown

I hear ya, Mike.  I guess for me when it comes down to it, NPD just has the chance of being a higher % reliability given it's size over VGChartz and their database.  Obviously the only numbers that we can ever possibly know for sure are ones from the manufacturer themselves.

I guess I made this thread out of an "AH HA!" moment and so it seems a bit ecstatic

And I definitely know what you mean about Nintendo/Sony.  Walmart has like 2 sections for Wii, 2 sections for DS, 1 section for 360, and 1 section for PS3/PSP/PS2 where I live.



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theprof00 on 11 December 2009
mike_intellivision said:
I think this again shows that NPD has done a great job of convincing everyone of its "invulnerability" when it fact it is an estimation service -- just like VGC.

Admittedly, NPD has a large base of data. But it also does not receive Wal-Mart and ToysRUs information. That alone could cause errors, depending upon how the model accounts for this missing information. For example, if you use last generation, Sony could be overestimated. If you use sales of other stores, Nintendo could be underestimated (check out the Wii display vs. the others at Toys R Us).

Mike from Morgantown

It's also a difference in the sample and size.

VGC tracks customers, I believe, whereas NPD tracks the retailer sales.

VGC uses a much smaller sample too, but in some ways, it's more accurate. There will never be an exact number.

I trust VGC.



theprof00 on 11 December 2009
CommonMan said:
theprof00 said:
Gobias said:
nightsurge said:
Gobias said:

You know..it's sooooooo funny...but I don't remember you making this thread last month when the PS3 was undertracked and the 360 overtracked.

Hmph, guess you must have missed it. Oh well.


Yup, you're right.  I did completely miss last months NPD.  Had I seen it I would have jumped on the thread ASAP.

Definitely. I can see you are 100% unbiased from your posting history.

just stop it. You can't expect one member to make both threads when everyone else is shooting to make the exact same thread. You have enough negative money as it is, don't push it.

I think you would make a pretty good mod, prof. You seem to be alert for foolishness and clamp down with the quickness when you recognize it.

wow, what an honor!

I doubt others share you opinion though. According VGCritic, I'm like 58% according to 152 reviews.



loy310 on 11 December 2009
BHR-3 said:
cgkc17 said:
nightsurge said:
cgkc17 said:
It shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. One of the biggest games this gen releases with an exclusive bundle on the 360, coupled with a sale on arcades from Wal*Mart and Amazon.

Not to mention this is the USA and MW2 is a shooter.


I'm think imma go and make a thread at how surprised I am the PS3 outsold the 360 by 10 to 1 in Japan!?

That'd be silly, though, because that was never disputed.  I posted this because VGchartz has PS3 above 360 for November in Americas, but NPD has 360 above PS3 by quite a bit (NPD 360 amount was more than the total VGC Americas 360 amount).

I know it would be. I don't really have intentions on making that thread. I just don't find it surprising, or how anybody could. America's a lost cause for PS3, likewise Japan for X360. The real battle is in Others.

Even more reason to take ALL (not just vgchartz) sales estimations with a grain of salt.

im going to make my own site all these sites with diff #s and variables like not tracking certain regions or wallmarts is screwing with my head right now i hope i can continue my accurate performance from this site over on the new site though im going to try to hire crazzyman to help me out if any1 else wants to chip in PM me ur credentials

LOL. Sometimes its like the Weather man saying that there will be rain, so you run off to work/school with your umbrella only to find out not one rain drop fell all day. At least 8 times out of 10 they are right.