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Icyedge said:
disolitude said:

 


I use 2 displays when gaming in 3D. I have the Samsung HL67a750 and viewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion monitor.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2265wm-fuhzion-lcd.htm

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/about/458892796/samsung-hl67a750

Monitor is LCD with 120 hz input and screen refresh.

DLP TV is 120 screen refresh (only 60hz input) with checkerbox 3D capability.

Monitor is very good...but ghosting is evident and its only 1680x1050. I know that the DLP supposedly cuts the pixels in half with the checkerboard pattern but they do some trickery cause I really can't notice it. Its not as obvious as when you interlace a 1080 signal in to 1080i.

DLP has no ghosting what so ever and looks a little better in motion to me than the monitor.


Do you see any flickers on your DLP??

None what so ever using Nvidia 3D vision. each eye is still getting 60 HZ refresh rate...

Certain games like Batman, Resident Evil 5, Devil May cry 4...look mindbogllingly good. Looks better than Imax 3D in avatar in my opinion.



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Icyedge said:
disolitude said:
 


Damn, you certanly know your HDMI stuff. That site has some pretty useful info.

But yeah, I don't think thats the issue. Nvidia forum is full of peeople that have DLP TVs whining how their 120 hz certified monitors have ghosting... While the LCD only owners are like "what the hell are you talking about?" lol

Those are some nice TVs you got too. I hope mitsubishi keeps making DLPs for a while. I generally like my samsung picture better than most LCDs under 2000 dollars. And in order to get 60+ inch with this picture quality Im looking at 3000+ for plasma/LCD version. Im nNot that rich...

You should get Nvidia 3D vision going on your Mitsubishi if you havent done so already. Out of the 12 games I have on my PC right now, atleast 5 look simply astonishing in 3D with 3D vision while rest look good or great. 

That samsung LCD is an interesting choice for a monitor...

Have you seen this badboy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP-FT57ULaw

Hope that tech takes off...if it does we can all have 100 inch TVs for under 5000 dollars...lol


Its easy right now to have 100 inch TV below 5000$, its called projector ;). Like my avatar, its 92" widescreen 1080 P dlp projector on an optoma graywolf 2 1.8 gain screen. Its exactly like any LCD TV but much much bigger. Too bad 3D doesnt work on those type of projector :(.


You are correct...projectors are always a great alternative. There aren't any that support 3D gaming at 1080p tho. :)

720p is this highest res for the current ones available. But in the future when they are available, I may consider one. When going over 60 inches, you really need 1080p.



disolitude said:
Icyedge said:
disolitude said:

 


I use 2 displays when gaming in 3D. I have the Samsung HL67a750 and viewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion monitor.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2265wm-fuhzion-lcd.htm

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/about/458892796/samsung-hl67a750

Monitor is LCD with 120 hz input and screen refresh.

DLP TV is 120 screen refresh (only 60hz input) with checkerbox 3D capability.

Monitor is very good...but ghosting is evident and its only 1680x1050. I know that the DLP supposedly cuts the pixels in half with the checkerboard pattern but they do some trickery cause I really can't notice it. Its not as obvious as when you interlace a 1080 signal in to 1080i.

DLP has no ghosting what so ever and looks a little better in motion to me than the monitor.


Do you see any flickers on your DLP??

None what so ever using Nvidia 3D vision. each eye is still getting 60 HZ refresh rate...

Certain games like Batman, Resident Evil 5, Devil May cry 4...look mindbogllingly good. Looks better than Imax 3D in avatar in my opinion.

Thats really nice, too bad I dont have a computer in the living room. But Ill purchase an Oled 3D TV as soon as they release with a PS3 firmware update :).



Icyedge said:
disolitude said:
Icyedge said:
disolitude said:

 


I use 2 displays when gaming in 3D. I have the Samsung HL67a750 and viewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion monitor.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2265wm-fuhzion-lcd.htm

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/about/458892796/samsung-hl67a750

Monitor is LCD with 120 hz input and screen refresh.

DLP TV is 120 screen refresh (only 60hz input) with checkerbox 3D capability.

Monitor is very good...but ghosting is evident and its only 1680x1050. I know that the DLP supposedly cuts the pixels in half with the checkerboard pattern but they do some trickery cause I really can't notice it. Its not as obvious as when you interlace a 1080 signal in to 1080i.

DLP has no ghosting what so ever and looks a little better in motion to me than the monitor.


Do you see any flickers on your DLP??

None what so ever using Nvidia 3D vision. each eye is still getting 60 HZ refresh rate...

Certain games like Batman, Resident Evil 5, Devil May cry 4...look mindbogllingly good. Looks better than Imax 3D in avatar in my opinion.

Thats really nice, too bad I dont have a computer in the living room. But Ill purchase an Oled 3D TV as soon as they release with a PS3 firmware update :).

I might be right behind you inline for those Oled 3D tvs.  That is of course, if there is no way for my dlp to work :)  Love my mitsu.



supercat said:

Also, keep in mind that Sony probably wants to do something just like Blu-ray, to make money off of the intellectual property. If this takes off, Sony will be getting royalties from TV makers using the 3D technology, and from studios putting 3d content on their movies.

I think that this is a fabulous idea, that like Blu-ray will take a long time to get popular. I know that Sony can do it, and look forward to more good things to my favorite company.

I agree.  New technology rarely takes off on day one.  You have to be patient the first few years and be ready to take some losses before mass adoption can happen.  The DVD format didn't supplant VHS as the primary mainstream media format until 3-4 years into its life cycle.  The mainstream audience tends to wait and see how well a new technology works until they're ready to switch over.  If I know this, you can bet Sony knows that.  If you're shooting for mainstream adoption 2-3 years from now, then now is the right time to introduce the technology so that consumers have a chance to see how it works.



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jneul said:
pc gaming is dying, even microsoft is focusing more on console gaming now.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for like 15 years.  It's just simply not true.




Domicinator said:
jneul said:
pc gaming is dying, even microsoft is focusing more on console gaming now.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for like 15 years.  It's just simply not true.

only difference from 15 years ago is that now even MS is moving away from it to support the 360 almost exclusively. didn't even Splinter Cell get cancelled on PC? Alan Wake is another game that was originally a PC game. I don't like this trend at all.



tjallern said:
Domicinator said:
jneul said:
pc gaming is dying, even microsoft is focusing more on console gaming now.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for like 15 years.  It's just simply not true.

only difference from 15 years ago is that now even MS is moving away from it to support the 360 almost exclusively. didn't even Splinter Cell get cancelled on PC? Alan Wake is another game that was originally a PC game. I don't like this trend at all.

Start-up and indie developers will always come in and take the place of those big name houses that stop developing for PC.  Unfortunately, so much pirating goes on with PC gaming, the big house developers stop seeing the value in releasing their games on that platform. 

The last big PC purchase I made was when I built the machine I'm on now--it was built specifically to run Crysis, which was supposed to be a big shot in the arm for the PC, namely PC exclusive titles.  Crytek gained a lot of street cred among PC gamers because of FarCry and because they like delivering games that push current PC hardware to the limits.  Unfortunately, I think the game only sold about 800,000 copies in its first month and got pirated like CRAZY.  I think I read somewhere that in the first week there were more pirated copies out in the wild than legit copies. And not long after that, Crytek announced they would probably no longer develop exclusively for PC anymore. 

One thing you can say about the PS3--developers aren't going to get ripped off on their big titles.  You could have said the same thing about the 360 if they hadn't chosen to use standard DVDs, but the lion's share of the pirating happens on the PC.




Pc gaming is not dying, i think its having a little bit of a resurgence thanks to steam, dragon age origins, boderland,s need for speed shift,cod , are part of a huge resurgence in the pc market



 

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