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Kasz216 said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
I hated that series it scared me for long and almost made me hate anime!

It started the trend of "lets make a bunch of stuff up because people will just interpret bullshit and thing we're deep" anime.

Indeed. NGE makes my ass itch. Not because of the actual anime but because of its fanbase.




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Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
I hated that series it scared me for long and almost made me hate anime!

It started the trend of "lets make a bunch of stuff up because people will just interpret bullshit and thing we're deep" anime.

As a film studies major who took a class on anime, which involved studying the entire history of mecha anime, as well as the history of Gainax... that comment cut me deep.

I mean, I could say that about the guys who wrote Eraserhead, 2001, or the Bible, but everybody seems to love those.

 

@Soriku, the show really speeds up and gets crazy epic in season 2, and then gets even super crazier at about episode 16 or so, and then you'll probably finish the series in 1 or 2 binges.  I say watch episode 25 and 26, but then remember that The End of Evangelion picks up as a direct sequel to episode 24, and replaces episodes 25 and 26.  They're kind of like... opposite endings, but kind of covering the same thing, kinda.  You'll see.  Just be ready for a wild ride.  And I'd love to find out if the ending either makes you love it or makes you hate it.  Many people love the whole series until the very ending, and then they feel betrayed and they curse the series forever.

Not that all anime can't be deep.  However this one is bullshit.

The guy even says it himself...

He created a bunch of fairly vagure and varied characters so that people who tried to look into it would come up with wildely different theories as to what is going on... a lot of the other themes were also created... just so people will think that varied themes are the "true theme" when there really isn't one.

There was little thought or representation meant for any of it outside of the very obvious journy of Shinji finding a reason to live.

The vast majority of all the symbolism and use of words is nothing but Red Herrings outside of the general passing of similarities between the character.  For example if you were going to name someone who was going to die outnumbered Custer.

 

It's the musical equivlent of American Pie (the song).  You know why Don McClean hasn't come out with an interpretation after all these years and everyone asking?  Cause their wasn't one.  It was just like Evangelion and Nostradamus.

A bunch of vague writing that people give their own meanings too.


The difference is... Anno cops to it.... yet people still try and disect it.

The original Star Wars trilogy is deeper and more interesting than NGE. Lucas actually had a message behind the films... simply based off thousands of years of mythology combined into a space opera.

I enjoy quite a bit of anime. My problem is with people who talk up anime simply because it's confusing. Most of the stories we re-tell over generations are actually quite simple. I view most complex anime as The X-Men (comics) for elitist pricks who want to play up their own "intelligence". Can it be fun? Sure. Is it deep? No, just convoluted. It doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be enjoyed but let's not make it out for something it isn't.

PS. While I'm at it, everywhere you see me post "NGE", just go ahead and apply it to videogames by replacing it with "MGS".




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I watched all 26 episodes in one gigantic marathon the first time I saw it. I couldn't sleep for a day, and I had the shits the next day because of it.

I <3 Eva, although as I get older I'm starting to notice how bad the voice acting is in spots(Shinji, I'm looking at you).

 

PS: I prefer the original ending to the movies. Yes, I said it.



NGE was a massive disappointment to me on every level. 

I expected something great and ended up with a truckload of pretentious bullshit and a cast of uninteresting emo's taking turns crying.



Kasz216 said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
I hated that series it scared me for long and almost made me hate anime!

It started the trend of "lets make a bunch of stuff up because people will just interpret bullshit and thing we're deep" anime.

 

I've never seen it, but my roommate has been basically saying the same thing about that show, that it was trying to be deep just for the sake of, and coming off all wrong

 

Still don't know if i should put it on my watch list or not.



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Shows that are confusing for confusings sake very raely have any actual substance. Hence why they hide by being confusing. Confused?



FaRmLaNd said:
Shows that are confusing for confusings sake very raely have any actual substance. Hence why they hide by being confusing. Confused?

You pretentious ass hole, stop being confusing!!!!



Words Of Wisdom said:

NGE was a massive disappointment to me on every level.

I expected something great and ended up with a truckload of pretentious bullshit and a cast of uninteresting emo's taking turns crying.

I agree with this full heartedly...



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Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
I hated that series it scared me for long and almost made me hate anime!

It started the trend of "lets make a bunch of stuff up because people will just interpret bullshit and thing we're deep" anime.

As a film studies major who took a class on anime, which involved studying the entire history of mecha anime, as well as the history of Gainax... that comment cut me deep.

I mean, I could say that about the guys who wrote Eraserhead, 2001, or the Bible, but everybody seems to love those.

 

@Soriku, the show really speeds up and gets crazy epic in season 2, and then gets even super crazier at about episode 16 or so, and then you'll probably finish the series in 1 or 2 binges.  I say watch episode 25 and 26, but then remember that The End of Evangelion picks up as a direct sequel to episode 24, and replaces episodes 25 and 26.  They're kind of like... opposite endings, but kind of covering the same thing, kinda.  You'll see.  Just be ready for a wild ride.  And I'd love to find out if the ending either makes you love it or makes you hate it.  Many people love the whole series until the very ending, and then they feel betrayed and they curse the series forever.

Not that all anime can't be deep.  However this one is bullshit.

The guy even says it himself...

He created a bunch of fairly vagure and varied characters so that people who tried to look into it would come up with wildely different theories as to what is going on... a lot of the other themes were also created... just so people will think that varied themes are the "true theme" when there really isn't one.

There was little thought or representation meant for any of it outside of the very obvious journy of Shinji finding a reason to live.

The vast majority of all the symbolism and use of words is nothing but Red Herrings outside of the general passing of similarities between the character.  For example if you were going to name someone who was going to die outnumbered Custer.

 

It's the musical equivlent of American Pie (the song).  You know why Don McClean hasn't come out with an interpretation after all these years and everyone asking?  Cause their wasn't one.  It was just like Evangelion and Nostradamus.

A bunch of vague writing that people give their own meanings too.


The difference is... Anno cops to it.... yet people still try and disect it.

But... it's okay to make really good art that's intentionally vague and open to multiple interpretations.  It's even okay to intentionally put in contradictory clues in opposite directions or to leave out major plot points to avoid having a single concrete explanation that everybody can agree on.  It doesn't always work, but I think NGE did it right.  I think I've watched the whole series 3 times through, including one 13 hour binge of every episode and movie.  And then I've watched The End of Evangelion 6 or 7 times.

I was joking when I brought up Eraserhead and 2001.  Those are 2 of my favorite movies.  Lynch has never explained Eraserhead, and never will.  He has stated that he didn't understand it when he made it, and didn't understand it for years.  Then one day, he was reading the Bible, found one random vague passage, and it hit him.  Now Lynch claims that there is a single passage in the Bible that explains the entire film of Eraserhead, but he will never ever let us know which passage it is.  Kubrick on the other hand, has never explained 2001, and never will, and disagrees with the author of the book on the meaning of the ending.  The author went on to explain everything about the aliens and the Starchild and even wrote a sequel explaining it more, and Kubrick just says the book has nothing to do with the movie.  It is what it is.  And Kubrick also says his favorite movie is Eraserhead, hahaha.  Anyway, they're both nuts.  But I loooooooooooove those films, and I loooooooooove NGE, for pretty much the same reasons.  I think if NGE was a live action film, people would consider it an avant-garde post-apocalyptic sci-fi masterpiece about kids losing their minds in the face of absolute terror and the responsibilty of saving a world you hate, but because it's a cartoon, people expect giant kung fu robots and not a bunch of philosophical mumbo jumbo about consciousness and identity and whatnot.

It's definitely too kiddy for adults and too mature for kids.  But that's part of why I love it.

It can be done right, and it can be done wrong.  Like Rocketpig said... MGS.

If people could tell whether the Mona Lisa was smiling or not, and knew why, the painting wouldn't be important at all.  It would just be some face.  It's all about the mystery.



@Rocketpig, the original Star Wars movie was a remake of Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress. He took a samurai movie about a small team from a rebel alliance rescuing a princess from an evil empire and escorting her to safety... turned the wacky comic relief characters into robots, and lifted the ending reward ceremony straight from Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will. Yes, the whole movie was stolen from samurais and Nazis.

George Lucas doesn't have original ideas. He stole all the Indiana Jones stuff (like the epic giant boulder scene) from Scrooge McDuck comic books. Then for Indiana Jones 4, he actually turned down a script by Frank Darabont (why anybody would do this, I have no idea, the guy fucking wrote/directed Shawshank for shit's sake, and doctors several of Spielberg's scripts for his other movies), so he could come up with great stuff like hiding in a fridge to survive a nuclear blast without a scratch.

George Lucas is a brilliant editor and marketer, who makes exciting lunch boxes, action figures, T-Shirts, video games, comics, and cartoons. But making movies with great messages... not so much.