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Kasz216 on 26 November 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
NJ5 said:
Damn, he should have just become a banker and steal billions from taxpayers. Then he'd get a bonus.

Now seriously, that seems way too harsh of a sentence... That alone would be reason not to extradite him.

I know, 60 years in jail for a guy who has a medical condition and that they cant prove did any damage or anything, apparently (according to BBC news channel) if he had been tried here, he would have been given 6 months community service...not to mention of course that the extradition treaty essentialy allows the US to extradite people from the UK, but not vice versa.

That's not true.

Also the "6 months community service" is more or less a lie.  It would be that way only because he didn't break into UK government computers.

thats how it was reported here...

also, that doesnt make it a lie, it makes it only true if the UK citizen is tried by the UK legal system.

Actually, that's still a lie.

Because he broke into 97 computers.

And the 6 month sentence is only for one hacking attempt.

 

Additionally the UK has no right to try someone for a lesser crime when a more serious crime was committed by the act elsewhere.

more serious crime was still commited in the UK by a UK citizen though, so whats your point?

and the UK isnt responsible for the security of US computer systems...turn this around and FUCK ALL would happen, the US would block any attempt at extradition or harsher sentencing and you know it...

No... we wouldn't actually.  Once we found someone was guilty of the crime, we would send them over.



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SciFiBoy on 26 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

thats how it was reported here...

also, that doesnt make it a lie, it makes it only true if the UK citizen is tried by the UK legal system.

Actually, that's still a lie.

Because he broke into 97 computers.

And the 6 month sentence is only for one hacking attempt.

 

Additionally the UK has no right to try someone for a lesser crime when a more serious crime was committed by the act elsewhere.

more serious crime was still commited in the UK by a UK citizen though, so whats your point?

and the UK isnt responsible for the security of US computer systems...turn this around and FUCK ALL would happen, the US would block any attempt at extradition or harsher sentencing and you know it...

No... we wouldn't actually.  Once we found someone was guilty of the crime, we would send them over.

why do I find that so hard to believe?

I would also argue that the UK should refuse to extradite its citizens to any nation that practices the death penalty on principle, that includes guess who? the US.



Kasz216 on 26 November 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

thats how it was reported here...

also, that doesnt make it a lie, it makes it only true if the UK citizen is tried by the UK legal system.

Actually, that's still a lie.

Because he broke into 97 computers.

And the 6 month sentence is only for one hacking attempt.

 

Additionally the UK has no right to try someone for a lesser crime when a more serious crime was committed by the act elsewhere.

more serious crime was still commited in the UK by a UK citizen though, so whats your point?

and the UK isnt responsible for the security of US computer systems...turn this around and FUCK ALL would happen, the US would block any attempt at extradition or harsher sentencing and you know it...

No... we wouldn't actually.  Once we found someone was guilty of the crime, we would send them over.

why do I find that so hard to believe?

I would also argue that the UK should refuse to extradite its citizens to any nation that practices the death penalty on principle, that includes guess who? the US.

See Thanos Papalexis.  Person charged with murder in the UK.  The US extradited him.

Also, you think people should refuse to extradite it's citizens to any nation that practices the death penalty... even in cases where the death penalty isn't involved?

Seriously? 



Kasz216 on 26 November 2009
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
NJ5 said:

Hacking into a computer doesn't necessarily make it more vulnerable. That's only the case if the hacker installs other backdoors after breaking in.

If the guy was doing it to steal those secrets or endanger any lives, it's a different matter. That doesn't seem anywhere near reality here. If it wasn't the intention and it didn't happen, I don't think it justifies such a harsh sentence.

I hope you're right on the sentence though!

 

The US government says his hacking cost the US government $700,000 to fix.  So clearly he did something to those 90+ computers he hacked into to make them more vulnerable.

Outside that.  The 60 years is a "Max" sentence.  Why he did what he did, isn't relevent until sentencing.

Doesn't your country have "Max terms" for something... a limit to which someone can server for a certain crime?

 

 

$700,000?!?!?!?!

That's pocket change to the US government. Why do they care, honestly?

"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels"

Does that sound like he's looking for a UFO... for mostly harmless reasons?

Of course it wasn't for harmless reasons, but 60 years?

They should improve their security systems, give him a fine and maybe a couple of years in prison, slap him on the wrist and put him in a care home.

Which may actually happen.

Sentencing doesn't occur until after guilt is decided.



SciFiBoy on 26 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

thats how it was reported here...

also, that doesnt make it a lie, it makes it only true if the UK citizen is tried by the UK legal system.

Actually, that's still a lie.

Because he broke into 97 computers.

And the 6 month sentence is only for one hacking attempt.

 

Additionally the UK has no right to try someone for a lesser crime when a more serious crime was committed by the act elsewhere.

more serious crime was still commited in the UK by a UK citizen though, so whats your point?

and the UK isnt responsible for the security of US computer systems...turn this around and FUCK ALL would happen, the US would block any attempt at extradition or harsher sentencing and you know it...

No... we wouldn't actually.  Once we found someone was guilty of the crime, we would send them over.

why do I find that so hard to believe?

I would also argue that the UK should refuse to extradite its citizens to any nation that practices the death penalty on principle, that includes guess who? the US.

See Thanos Papalexis.  Person charged with murder in the UK.  The US extradited him.

Also, you think people should refuse to extradite it's citizens to any nation that practices the death penalty... even in cases where the death penalty isn't involved?

Seriously? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty#Contemporary_use

given some of the other nations that practice it, I wouldnt rule that out, regardless, I dont trust the US to give him a fair sentence, but time will tell.



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Kasz216 on 26 November 2009

Based on that you may not want to try any criminals at all in England soon...

http://www.beecareful.info/news/general/74447-channe-4-poll-reveals-70-per-cent-support-for-the-death-penalty.html

 



SciFiBoy on 26 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
Also Scifiboy... based on that you may not want to try any criminals at all in England soon...

http://www.beecareful.info/news/general/74447-channe-4-poll-reveals-70-per-cent-support-for-the-death-penalty.html


the UK cannot re-introduce the death penalty, it is illegal to do so under EU law, as a member of the EU we cant re-introduce it, if we did it would cause problems due to that, anyone given that sentence would also easily be able to get it overturned by the EU court of human rights.



SamuelRSmith on 26 November 2009
Kasz216 said:

Based on that you may not want to try any criminals at all in England soon...

http://www.beecareful.info/news/general/74447-channe-4-poll-reveals-70-per-cent-support-for-the-death-penalty.html

 

Doesn't matter what the population thinks, the UK couldn't reinstate the death penalty if the Government wanted to: another reason to love (or hate) the EU.



Kasz216 on 26 November 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Kasz216 said:

Based on that you may not want to try any criminals at all in England soon...

http://www.beecareful.info/news/general/74447-channe-4-poll-reveals-70-per-cent-support-for-the-death-penalty.html

 

Doesn't matter what the population thinks, the UK couldn't reinstate the death penalty if the Government wanted to: another reason to love (or hate) the EU.

Oh, i'm actually against the Death Penalty.  I think Scifiboy is just being immature and not thinking things through as usual.

To stop extraditing criminals between the US and EU would be ridiculious... it would basically break down intenrational justice. 

Additionally, the guy shut down Military computers... in the US capital... right after 9/11.

So much could of gone wrong with that it's ridiculious...

and he threatened to do it more...

 

If this happened to the UK... you can gurantee the max sentence would be more then 6 months. 



SciFiBoy on 26 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Kasz216 said:

Based on that you may not want to try any criminals at all in England soon...

http://www.beecareful.info/news/general/74447-channe-4-poll-reveals-70-per-cent-support-for-the-death-penalty.html

 

Doesn't matter what the population thinks, the UK couldn't reinstate the death penalty if the Government wanted to: another reason to love (or hate) the EU.

Oh, i'm actually against the Death Penalty.  I think Scifiboy is just being immature and not thinking things through as usual.

To stop extraditing criminals between the US and EU would be ridiculious... it would basically break down intenrational justice. 

Additionally, the guy shut down Military computers... in the US capital... right after 9/11.

So much could of gone wrong with that it's ridiculious...

and he threatened to do it more...

 

If this happened to the UK... you can gurantee the max sentence would be more then 6 months. 

funny, its immature to know UK/EU law better than you do is it? insults to hide your ignorance there, real mature

my point was that the US shouldnt be lecturing other nations on there justice systems while they have the death penalty, it also calls into question how much the US can be trusted with the rights of a UK citizen, the sentence is probably more lenient here because the UK takes into account the fact the guy has aspbergers syndrome, maybe the US doesnt?

oh, and the UK security system hasnt had a majour hack like that, maybe because our security is better in that regard, the whole thing is as much of an indictment of your security systems as anything else