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build ur own.

but vaio specs are usually nice.

i got vaio notebook



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Soleron said:
8GB of RAM is overkill unless you're editing videos or doing 3D modelling. Have you ever seen it use more than 4GB?

Yeh forgot to mention that. I have a degree in 3D design, so I use Adobe Creative Suite (such as Flash Photoshop and the video editing software), 3D Studio Max and other 3D modeling application, so yeh 8GB is needed for myself.

 

However on Windows 7 where Ram usage is high, I'd recommend 4-6 GB RAM



Soleron said:
greenmedic88 said:
If you're planning on keeping your system for the next 3-4 years, don't buy anything less than a Core i7/X58 based system. Particularly on a $2k budget. i7/i5/P55 1156 socket based systems would allow you to shave about $100 off the same build, but for future proofing a system, the money saved isn't real value IMO.

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Socket 1136 is dead, except for $1000 Extreme Edition procs like Gulftown, or Xeons. Intel's roadmap shows all sub-$1000 processors being LGA1156 for the foreseeable future, with no guarantee that 2010's processors (Sandy Bridge) will be work in the current socket. 1366 is not a good long term bet, and 1156 is only if you believe Sandy Bridge will work in it.

Socket AM3, on the other hand, is used for all market segments now and will be used for the 2010 'Thuban' products and the 2011 'Bulldozer' products (likely in the $150+ range). So you get guaranteed two and a half years of socket compatibility.

I'm not a fan of the 'buy one GPU now, add another later' thing because in about a year's time when you'd want to do that you will be able to buy a new card for around the same price as the second one that performs better than two of them and has more features and uses less power than two. Example: 8800GTX -> 9800GX2, GTX280 -> GTX295, 2900XT -> 3870 X2, 3870 -> 4870, 4870 -> 5870. SLI/CF boards also have a premium when you could just use a normal board and a dual-GPU card like the GTX295 or 5870 X2.

In games, the extra RAM channels and memory bandwidth provided by LGA1366 won't increase performance. Core ix's Hyperythreading won't either; in some cases it helps performance. The only Core ix processor that is good value is the i5 750.

Overclocking is good on all sockets and boards at present (AM3, 775, 1156, 1366). There's no need to pay a premium for 'OC feature' boards when you can just buy an AMD black edition ($110 for an unlocked dual, $120 for tri, $166 for quad) and any cheap motherboard and adjust the muliplier.

No mention was made of socket 1136.

LGA 1366 will be compatible with future Core i9 Gulftown 6 core CPUs based on Westmere as well as workstation Xeon DP 6 core CPUs. Currently, i7 920 CPUs can be bought for as little as $199 and is well-established as an excellent overclocker. It should be more than fine for the next 2-3 years for the vast majority of users. 

1156 is for the consumer grade motherboards and systems. The triple channel memory of LGA 1366 is preferable for memory intensive applications outside of gaming, assuming the system is also being used for high end application productivity. 

The most important question to ask for the build is if it's just a gaming machine, or if it's to be used for productivity and/or memory/CPU intensive productivity apps like video encoding/editing, 3D rendering software, etc. 

Contrary to popular belief, PCs can be and are used for more than just playing games. 

If it's just a gaming machine, more of that $2k would be better spent on a 2560x1440 or multi display set up with the appropriate multi-GPU VGA solution. 

I'm not getting into AMD processors, not that they aren't cost/performance effective. 



vlad321 said:

Neither, you go to www.newegg.com and build yourself one for 75%+ off. If you think it's hard it really isn't, it's like  playing with legos, piees go where they fit and you are done. Use google to see which pieces you want.

This is exactly what I would have said, so if you are still unsure by now (I failed to read past this post) then do it yourself. Very easy and tons of really good help on this site to get the right parts.

Also newegg is by far the best online spot for this stuff.



lol i can build you a great running PC under $1000 at newegg.com

but im not gonna tell u to buy a brandname comp, that's just a waste of money



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More rewarding to self-build with the specific parts you spec, plus you'll learn a thing or two in the process of building.

Plus you decide entirely what gets installed on your system from the start without having to reformat and reinstall OS to delete factory bloatware.

But, it's still important to note that not everyone wants to deal with that hassle and would rather just buy an OEM system configured close to what they want at a price near what they are willing to pay that (presumably) turns on without a hitch out of the box without configuring anything in the BIOS, etc.

The vast majority of PC users probably have little to no interest in building, even with the cost benefits.



greenmedic88 said:
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No mention was made of socket 1136.

You said X58. That means LGA1366.

LGA 1366 will be compatible with future Core i9 Gulftown 6 core CPUs based on Westmere as well as workstation Xeon DP 6 core CPUs. Currently, i7 920 CPUs can be bought for as little as $199 and is well-established as an excellent overclocker. It should be more than fine for the next 2-3 years for the vast majority of users. 

Yes, but the i7 9xx were Intel's only sub-$1000 line of 1366 chips. There will be no more, as in no possibility for an upgrade except to Xeon DP or Gulftown which will be very expensive, much more than $200/300.

1156 is for the consumer grade motherboards and systems. The triple channel memory of LGA 1366 is preferable for memory intensive applications outside of gaming, assuming the system is also being used for high end application productivity. 

Yes, but there's no indication the OP will be using it for anything but gaming. If you read reviews, the 1366 memory setup gains 2-5% at most, and that only in the most intensive applications.

The most important question to ask for the build is if it's just a gaming machine, or if it's to be used for productivity and/or memory/CPU intensive productivity apps like video encoding/editing, 3D rendering software, etc. 

Contrary to popular belief, PCs can be and are used for more than just playing games. 

I know that! If the OP had said it was a workstation my view would have been to recommend an i5 or i7. Or a hexcore Opteron, for that matter.

If it's just a gaming machine, more of that $2k would be better spent on a 2560x1440 or multi display set up with the appropriate multi-GPU VGA solution. 

Agreed. Hence my recommendation of an X4 720/945 and the best GPU you can afford.

I'm not getting into AMD processors, not that they aren't cost/performance effective. 

You can't start making product recommendations only knowing one half of the picture, especially when claiming Intel's socket has more upgrade potential.

 

 



Draqonic said:

No there is no way to "future-proof" a system, however buying a product once and then replacing it a 1/2 year later when a new game comes out is something nobody wants to do.

The only reason why you'd need to replace an intelligently-built $800 PC a half-year later is if you're one of those OCD 'sperger PC-gamer types who absolutely cannot suffer the indignity of turning down a setting or two on one single resource-intensive game from "super ultra max" to merely "high."



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

Garcian Smith said:
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The only reason why you'd need to replace an intelligently-built $800 PC a half-year later is if you're one of those OCD 'sperger PC-gamer types who absolutely cannot suffer the indignity of turning down a setting or two on one single resource-intensive game from "super ultra max" to merely "high."

And even then, the resource use ceiling has been stable since Crysis was released in 2007.



Garcian Smith said:
Draqonic said:
 

No there is no way to "future-proof" a system, however buying a product once and then replacing it a 1/2 year later when a new game comes out is something nobody wants to do.

The only reason why you'd need to replace an intelligently-built $800 PC a half-year later is if you're one of those OCD 'sperger PC-gamer types who absolutely cannot suffer the indignity of turning down a setting or two on one single resource-intensive game from "super ultra max" to merely "high."

 

I myself do not replace my hardware every 1/2 years. the computer I posted was an upgrade from a AMD Athlon 64 2.0 GHz (one core) Radeon x1600 and 2GB of RAM and only 200GB of space.

 

What I was Implying by the message was before Crysis came out (which is pretty much the standard for comparing a computers power) is lets say you were just under the settings for crysis... and could play Bioshock yet in some parts it was a little choppy... (my old pc was actually able to play it under those specs) however crysis came out 1/2 year later. In this case I would have to upgrade it when a new game came out.

All I am saying is that having a middle of the road computer for gaming is not always the best case scenario for a PC gamer. I'm most likely going to be keeping my computer the way it is for a good 2-3 years. And I suspect it will be able to play all games that are released in those years without problem. (My Vid card is 10.1 and able to play DX11 games, just not at the highest visuals D:   )

 

And my computer was under 900$. Will i replace it in a 1/2 year no. However if a game that looks awesome comes out in a 1/2 - 1 year and I need to replace something in my system, I'm going to be a little peeved that I didn't spend an extra 30$ to for a better "insert random computer part here"