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sabby_e17 on 10 December 2009
Final-Fan said:
Oh, sabby, you may be thinking of when I said (of TOS): "But I don't suspect him at this time." Clearly I was leaving the option of changing my mind and suspecting him, or in other words I didn't have a TOTAL lack of suspicion, just not any substantial amount (at that time).

I have good news for you - Gotta go and do some damned revision because of my exams, but I can assure you that when I get back on, I'll be chasing your ass all over again.




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TruckOSaurus on 10 December 2009
dsister44 said:

Here are some more things that I would like you to explain

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2899707&page=11&postnum=44

This post was I think a couple of hours after Carl roleclaimed. Why did it take you so long to unvote him?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2899734&page=11&postnum=47

Explain what you said(Forget trashleg)

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2884996&page=8&postnum=32

Here Final Fan says that you are acting just like Haqtmoza

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2895908&page=10&postnum=58 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2898646&page=10&postnum=90

I wasn't the only one that was suspecting Carl  

Please explain those

First post, since people are more active in the afternoon (EST) I have to use my breaks to follow the game. It's normal that there's gaps between my posts. Also, Carl wasn't anywhere close to being lynch, my vote didn't threaten him, trashleg made a great case for why there was little chance of him being mafia.

Second post, I still stand by that statement, we already know hatmoza fooled me but if Final-Fan has also fooled me and he is mafia, I deserve to die. I wouldn't care because the mafia would count one less member and the town would still win without me.

Third post, ask Final-Fan what he meant, not me.

Fourth and Fifth posts, no weren't the only one. Carl's lack of participation was suspicious.

 



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009
sabby_e17 said:
How did I forget to post my prediction?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902674&page=110&postnum=6

"You said it yesterday I think and I really can't be bothered to go and find it because that would take forever,"

So you can't be bothered to find evidence AGAINST me that was recent, but you can go back even further to a busier time to find evidence to defend yourself?  I guess it's back to my crazy theory.  It hurts to see you like this, though, it really does.  I was prepared to face a sane sabby, confident in his skills, and do my best to defend myself and very possibly fail due to circumstance.  But to have foaming-at-the-mouth sabby attacking me sincerely hurts. 

To be perfectly frank, I don't run that kind of risk.  If I was one of two mafia being suspected, I would either turn on the other or try to deflect suspicion on some townie to get an extra kill before I/we died.  I would NOT start up some crusade against yet ANOTHER mafia (especially one who had laid low as successfully as nen), because even if I succeeded we would not necessarily be off the hook (especially in this game where you have been warring with me since Day 2 IIRC), and even if I failed it would not necessarily let nen off the hook (although TBH it probably would), and there was also the THIRD possibility of it ending up the way it did. 

Also if I was mafia I wouldn't have ever, EVER stopped my original campaign against you when I thought you were mafia.  When you turned up innocent I would just fall back on how unreasonably aggressive you were being, it's classic mafia behavior. 



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009
TruckOSaurus said:
dsister44 said:
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2884996&page=8&postnum=32
Here Final Fan says that you are acting just like Haqtmoza

Third post, ask Final-Fan what he meant, not me.

OK, first off let's review the context.  This dates way back to page 15 (@50) and I was campaigning strongly against sabby. 

hatmoza had mad a post where he said he strongly believed sabby was not mafia...
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2882892&page=14&postnum=24
"I’m sorry but I’m hesitant to vote sabby. Even though he’s acted weird from the start of the game, I actually believe he’s just a simple towny, I wouldn’t have mind lynching him if the situations wasn’t so delicate as he is contributing nothing but chaos amongst the town."
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"If you want to continue with lynching sabby, go ahead, but I'll only vote to lynch him if necessary (to end the day) but tomorrow, depending on who gets lynched, I'm going to look back and analyse EVERY SINGLE post from the start of the game to see who was defending him/her and who was not and pin-point me scum."

...So later when TOS made a post ALSO saying that sabby was (contrary to my exhortations) not mafia ...
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2884875&page=15&postnum=29
"- I strongly believe sabby is not mafia and we're heading for another mislynch."

... I said what I said. 
"Oh god.
"I trust hatmoza, and TOS seems to be speaking the same language. Either they're the best mafia ever or I might be wrong about sabby."



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009

^ And for the record my "best mafia ever" statement was IIRC referring to the possibility that they could be mafia WITH SABBY and sabby's crusade against hatmoza was just a ruse.



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009

^^ Oho! And hatmoza said sabby was innocent when he had 5 votes (of 7 to lynch) against him. And TOS did it when there were 6.

If there are 2 mafia and not just 1 then I definitely would bet on those two. Unfortunately (?), with only one cop and no deputy, I'll be even more surprised if there are 5 mafia than I was when hatmoza turned up as one of them.



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009

If there are two mafia left, for an original 5 out of 18 players, and only one cop and one doctor, I hate you Soleron. Forever.



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SciFiBoy on 10 December 2009
Final-Fan said:
If there are two mafia left, for an original 5 out of 18 players, and only one cop and one doctor, I hate you Soleron. Forever.

well, thats just my theory, I could be wrong, if I am then the last mafia player is a bit thick by letting yesterday happen...



Final-Fan on 10 December 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Final-Fan said:
If there are two mafia left, for an original 5 out of 18 players, and only one cop and one doctor, I hate you Soleron. Forever.

well, thats just my theory, I could be wrong, if I am then the last mafia player is a bit thick by letting yesterday happen...

Well, actually it was pretty ballsy IMO.  Standing up for nen was looking pretty grim until he pointed out that I was completely wrong .  And getting between sabby and me and hatmoza would be a guaranteed spotlight which is bad for mafia.  Really, breaking cover would have been the mistake. 

But maybe we can look at who DIDN'T jump on the nen-suer bandwagon.  No guarantees, but I doubt if the last mafia would be THAT eager to see both of his pals down in flames. 



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SciFiBoy on 10 December 2009

there is of course option 2, there is only 1 mafia, and that mafia is a n00b and so inadvertently sealed the double lynch of his own team and is know run off not realising how silly he has been...