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sabby_e17 on 10 December 2009
Final-Fan said:
sabby_e17 said:
Hatmoza, Final, Trucks and nen, all Mafia, backed me. So what? They are Mafia and I am town so I don't give a shit. 

I look at the facts and the unusual behaviour of players and then I expose them. Look at the lynching of supermario. Look at the BONDING between Hatmoza, Final and Trucks. It's very strong and has been active throughout the game. Look at the lynching of WoW, how Trucks tried to put out that list of options between Zexen and WoW, it was obvious he was trying to shift attention away from WoW onto Zexen.

And about the supermario lynch, Hatmoza set it up, who followed him??? Trucks, Final, and a few other players. Will you let them set up another mislynch? 

And about nen, I must have been the only one to see their plan. I posted it somewhere so I might find it if I feel like it but Final's, Hatmoza's and Truck's plan was to lynch nen-suer, a Mafia member, so they could get trust from the town and it looks like some people have fallen for the plan like you.

You may ask: Why would they lynch nen-suer if they were all Mafia?

Answer: To gain trust from the town. I was chasing after Hatmoza and Final, so suspicion began to arise onto Final and Hatmoza. And by lynching nen-suer, they would be "trustworthy" Mafia in disguise as townies. 

And I kind of screwed up their plan. Hatmoza and nen-suer got double lynched, and REMEMBER THIS, it was Hatmoza's plan to kill nen-suer. Final and Trucks went ahead with the plan, but Hatmoza got double-lynched along with nen-suer and Hatmoza turned out Mafia!!! It was his plan after all and who followed him? Trucks and Final! 

It's obvious, really really obvious, but I don't understand why some can't see it. If son1x was still alive, he would have saw that they were Mafia and if WoW was townie and still alive, he would have gotten Final and Trucks lynched long ago. 

WHAT?  HIS plan?  TOS and I may be bickering about who first suspected nen, but I don't remember hatmoza having a lead on us at all, unless you mean like DAYS ago when everything was different.  And I, I led the charge to lynch nen-suer "yesterday". 

Whatever, you led the charge, Hatmoza and Trucks followed you, you're plan was to lynch nen-suer NOT Hatmoza but it failed because they got double-lynched so you and Trucks lost two Mafia right there. I saw the plan and that was COMPLETELY how it worked out. I predicted it before the damn thing even occured!

Also, am I still acting crazy?




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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009
sabby_e17 said:
@Final:

Blatant means obvious. Maybe it's a word that only UK citizens use.

You think Trucks is suspicious but you also said that you were sure that Trucks was innocent. How the hell does that make sense?

You said yesterday that you wouldn't vote Dsister, I haven't forgotten nothing. You said you would vote Dsister last yesterday after he did something that favoured you but now you're voting him? When you're suspicious of Trucks? When Dsister hasn't done anything stupid? When Trucks has done ALOT more suspicious shit?

Everytime you argure with almost anyone, I'm convinced that you're Mafia. At the start of today I was 99.89% sure you were Mafia. Now I'm 99.9% sure.

I know what the word "blatant" means, I'm just saying it's pointless to try to convince someone by saying "but it's OBVIOUS!"  What, are they going to say "oh well I guess it is obvious, I disagreed with you until you pointed out how obvious it is but now I see the LIGHT"?

Show me where I said that. 

Things have changed since yesterday.  hatmoza and nen-suer were mafia, for one thing.  For another, dsister is talking a lot and not all of it makes sense. 

Please don't make up meaningless numbers.  There is no way that those numbers are accurate. 



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009
sabby_e17 said:
Final-Fan said:
WHAT?  HIS plan?  TOS and I may be bickering about who first suspected nen, but I don't remember hatmoza having a lead on us at all, unless you mean like DAYS ago when everything was different.  And I, I led the charge to lynch nen-suer "yesterday". 

Whatever, you led the charge, Hatmoza and Trucks followed you, you're plan was to lynch nen-suer NOT Hatmoza but it failed because they got double-lynched so you and Trucks lost two Mafia right there. I saw the plan and that was COMPLETELY how it worked out. I predicted it before the damn thing even occured!

Also, am I still acting crazy?

At first I thought so (mad with power), but now I think you're acting guilty. 

You predicted it?  Which one did you predict, the one you originally said or the one you're saying now?  Show me the post(s). 

And why go after nen-suer?  Why didn't I just suggest, "hey, double lynching two guys who seem to be on the same side is retarded, so why not pick someone they've been suspecting like TRASHLEG or SABBY to cover your ass a little?"  Or why not just turn on hatmoza? 

And by the way, the simple fact that hatmoza, TOS, and I were all banding together openly should tell you we're not all mafia.  3+ mafia OPENLY banding together would just be just completely idiotic, none of us 3 are that stupid.  I admit it's a POSSIBILITY that TOS(guilty) saw me(innocent) and hatmoza(guilty) being together and not particularly suspected aside from by you, and decided to join in hoping to create a faction of mafia and unsuspecting townies ot get a majority and lynch people.  (OMG I'm going to double check TOS's 'lynch list' to see if I think that idea makes sense) 

But TOS(guilty) would NEVER do that if he saw two fellow MAFIA joined together openly in the town.  Waaaay too much exposure, any of them go down and suspicion is thrown on the rest. 



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sabby_e17 on 10 December 2009
Final-Fan said:
sabby_e17 said:
@Final:

Blatant means obvious. Maybe it's a word that only UK citizens use.

You think Trucks is suspicious but you also said that you were sure that Trucks was innocent. How the hell does that make sense?

You said yesterday that you wouldn't vote Dsister, I haven't forgotten nothing. You said you would vote Dsister last yesterday after he did something that favoured you but now you're voting him? When you're suspicious of Trucks? When Dsister hasn't done anything stupid? When Trucks has done ALOT more suspicious shit?

Everytime you argure with almost anyone, I'm convinced that you're Mafia. At the start of today I was 99.89% sure you were Mafia. Now I'm 99.9% sure.

I know what the word "blatant" means, I'm just saying it's pointless to try to convince someone by saying "but it's OBVIOUS!"  What, are they going to say "oh well I guess it is obvious, I disagreed with you until you pointed out how obvious it is but now I see the LIGHT"?

Show me where I said that. 

Things have changed since yesterday.  hatmoza and nen-suer were mafia, for one thing.  For another, dsister is talking a lot and not all of it makes sense. 

Please don't make up meaningless numbers.  There is no way that those numbers are accurate. 

It is obvious though. Just like it was obvious that supermario was innocent and Hatmoza was Mafia. It was REALLY damn obvious.

You said it yesterday I think and I really can't be bothered to go and find it because that would take forever, but you did state today that you don't suspect Trucks, and Trucks stated that he doesn't suspect you.

Show me how Dsister's posts don't make sense.

And so what if Dsister doesn't make sense? 85% of the time you didn't make sense, so I say lynch you ASAP.

My numbers are accurate to me, just the way my numbers on Hatmoza and nen-suer were accurate.




Final-Fan on 10 December 2009

Are you sure you aren't thinking of when I said I trust TOS MORE THAN trashleg? That just means that he's lower on the suspect list.

And ... you're seriously telling me that you can tell the difference between being 99.89% sure of something and being 99.90% sure of it. Really? REALLY?



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Final-Fan on 10 December 2009
TruckOSaurus said:
Alright screw it, I'm making a list
Here the people I think are town:
Carl2291, Falcon095, Final-Fan, hatmoza, SciFiBoy, TruckOSaurus and sabby_e17 (no matter how crazy he's acting)
That leaves :
Skeezer, trashleg, dsister44, nen-suer

If there's 4 mafia members, it's a no brainer, if there's three, we just gotta make sure we don't lynch the extra townie.

(He was wrong about hatmoza.) 
Taking out the dead, and leaving out Falcon who we KNOW is innocent, this leaves:

TOS's "lynch list" is:  skeezer, trashleg, dsister44

And his "trust list" is:  SFB, himself, me, sabby

This alone doesn't make me suspect him any more than I do. 



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sabby_e17 on 10 December 2009

Here you go Final. My prediction which I can safely garuntee is 99.95% accurate.

3 Mafia banding together is idiotic so now you know never to make that mistake again in future Mafia games.

If you thought I was mad with power then the answer is no, I was chasing the Mafia's ass. But now you think I'm guilty, and you know you won't survive for long with me around so now you're gonna try to turn the town on me, but you'll fail, like you failed with the nen-suer plan. I think I'll call that plan of yours "Operation: Mafia Fail".

How do you know that Trucks would never do that????? You tryna save his ass again?




TruckOSaurus on 10 December 2009
dsister44 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
dsister44 said:

The games that I have played with him he has been pretty quiet. 

And it's not like I even voted for Blacksaber unlike you 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2871808&page=5&postnum=17  

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2871755&page=5&postnum=9  

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2874004&page=6&postnum=22

1. That day, you voted for skeezer who just put in the final vote to lynch two mafia yesterday, I wouldn't brag about that.

2. Blacksaber made a stupid stupid mistake. Claiming that the town would be sorry if they killed him when he was just a simple townie is suicide. Guess it was a rookie mistake but the town's reaction was understandable.

3. I didn't vote for WoW because I was considering the options. zexen had just roleclaimed cop on that day, there was no confirmation he actually was at that point. Don't try to twist facts.

4. falcon095 and supermario128 didn't vote for WoW and they are townies just like me.

5. hatmoza and nen-suer voted for WoW and what were they again?.... hum... ah!... yes ... mafia! Why did they do it? Because they knew WoW's lynch was inevitable and they didn't want to appear suspicious.

 

1. Yesterday, you thought he was mafia. Now I shouldn't brag(When did I brag?) about lynching him?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2903031&page=12&postnum=42  

2. You just praised SciFiBoy for trying to plead with the town to not lynch him 

3. yes, but Falcon wanted to go for the double lynch 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2886480&page=8&postnum=88  

4. It looks like Mario and Falcon weren't even here that day 

5. I'll give you that one 

Here are some more things that I would like you to explain

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2899707&page=11&postnum=44

This post was I think a couple of hours after Carl roleclaimed. Why did it take you so long to unvote him?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2899734&page=11&postnum=47

Explain what you said(Forget trashleg)

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2884996&page=8&postnum=32

Here Final Fan says that you are acting just like Haqtmoza

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2895908&page=10&postnum=58 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2898646&page=10&postnum=90

I wasn't the only one that was suspecting Carl  

Please explain those

1. My point was that any townie can make mistakes, it's not because you vote for someone that turns out to be innocent that you're mafia. But I gotta say that the fact you tried to throw my Blacksaber vote in my face to make your case against me is really showing that you're grasping for straws here.

2. I wasn't actually praising him but pointing out something that makes me think he couldn't be mafia.

3. I don't know how your response applies in any way to what I said in point 3.

4. You may be right about Falcon but mario just said he wasn't ready to vote.

5. AH!

I'll answer your other claims in another post.



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sabby_e17 on 10 December 2009

How did I forget to post my prediction?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902674&page=110&postnum=6




Final-Fan on 10 December 2009

Oh, sabby, you may be thinking of when I said (of TOS): "But I don't suspect him at this time." Clearly I was leaving the option of changing my mind and suspecting him, or in other words I didn't have a TOTAL lack of suspicion, just not any substantial amount (at that time).



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