Vote: Final-Fan

Is everyone good for a double lynch on Final and Trucks?

Great, just start the signup thread when this is finished.

No more double lynches. That was a one-off thing. There's too few people to set reasonable vote limits. 4 votes to lynch.

Ok, I understand.

Vote: Final-Fan

I feel so bad for hounding trashleg now... I gotta reassess my suspicions...

You ready to lynch Final?

let us think about this:

we started as 18

if theyre are 5 mafia, then theyre are 13 pro town roles/townies at the start

if theyre are 4 mafia, then theyre are 14 pro town roles/townies at the start

we are now just 8

if theyre were 5 mafia, they are now 2

if theyre were 4 mafia, they are now 1

therefore

if we lynch a mafia today, we could win or be very close to it, if theyre are 2 mafia left, then we lose another townie tonight, reducing our numbers to 5

if we lynch a townie today and the mafia kill one of us, we are down to 4 with 1/2 mafia remaining, so we would possibly find ourselves in the situation of having to lynch a mafia tommorow or face defeat

for this reason, we should be careful about who we lynch today and tommorow, lets win this thing townies!

Not just yet, here's why:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902796&page=23&postnum=17

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902798&page=23&postnum=18

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902803&page=23&postnum=19

These three posts follow each other, so at one point yesterday Final-Fan voted for nen-suer thinking he was sealing the double lynch. I highly doubt he would have sacrificied two of his fellow mafia members just to make him look innocent. On the other hand, later on when he had the opportunity to seal the deal for real this time, he failed to do it and we had to wait for skeezer to show up (btw good job skeezer).

So Final-Fan has some answering to do but I'm not voting for him right now.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902765&page=112&postnum=1

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902795&page=112&postnum=6

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2899733&page=105&postnum=6

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902674&page=110&postnum=6

Now you willing to lynch Final?

Indeed, bricks were shat, but not by me. 

hatmoza was mafia.  I was wrong about the one thing I had no doubt of in this game when I went to bed.  My world is shattered.  I remain innocent. 

Regarding http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902765&page=112&postnum=1:
You said "Yes."  And then I voted for the double lynch.  What kind of sense does that make for someone who knows that the opposite will happen? 

Regarding http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2899733&page=105&postnum=6:
Yes, self-congratulations are in order for you.  You've been half right all along, and the one person I trusted longest was mafia.  But why is this so relevant you linked it? 

Regarding http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2902795&page=112&postnum=6:
Again, I was wrong.  But again, it makes no sense for me to vote for a double-lynch against two mafia.  To the extent that IIRC hatmoza did just that, I am flabbergasted.  Also, read what I said:  "I am now 100% sure hatmoza is innocent.  Because he wasn't willing to double lynch himself and me, but he IS willing to double lynch himself and nen-suer.  Since I'm innocent, the change in behavior only makes sense for a townie who believes I'm innocent and nen-suer is guilty, which hatmoza is."

This burns my logic centers to a crisp.  Just pretend you believe me for a moment.  What kind of twisted mafia mind would support a double lynch of himself and a fellow mafia, but not himself and an innocent?  I can only suppose that he was hoping I would oppose the idea of a double lynch (as I eventually started doing) and that I would prevail in that opposition.  Also, I guess opposing the double lynch on me and him makes sense from the perspective of "acting like a townie", since we really did look like we were on a faction and a double lynch is therefore very risky by the odds.  But still, he supported a double lynch of two mafia.  Madness. 

... Actually, I'm looking at the scoreboards and he had his vote on trashleg almost the whole time?  Devious, man, devious. 

OK, the moment's over and you don't believe me.  And with hatmoza turning up mafia I don't really blame you too much.  (OMG EPIPHANY see below)  But the fact remains that I am townie and I will not just roll over and die to prove it.  skeezer is pretty much off the hook considering he put the hammer on two mafia.  That leaves trashleg and dsister out of my old suspect list. 

I found a curious post by dsister from when he voted hatmoza:  "He was also all over Zexen to have him investigated. This could mean that he was an innocent and really wanted to be proven so or that he knew that Zexen would be dead that night. All the evidence is pointing right at him."

How could mafia possibly know they would be able to kill the cop with the doctor still alive?  But I'm not going to vote him solely on that.  As for trashleg, she had a little feud going with hatmoza so I dunno. 

All I can really do to point to my innocence is that I was SERIOUSLY gunning for nen-suer and basically was a one-man bandwagon against him.  I was wrong about my biggest evidence but I suspected him strongly even before that and he would NOT have been on people's radar IMO if not for me.  AND I continued to publicly suspect him and ask for his lynching after I was humiliated instead of backing off.  Why the hell would I do that if I was mafia?  Even with how crazy hatmoza was as mafia, I would be much crazier than that.  And I'm not. 

(EPIPHANY:  It would be pretty awesome if sabby was mafia.  He had his feud with hatmoza going pretty much from the start IIRC, I just got into the middle of it, which helped both sides play the whole town.  Not saying I necessarily think this is the case, but it would be a very devious strategy.  And I've always been leery of how crazy sabby seemed to be.)