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CommonMan on 25 November 2009

I will never have to worry about this, I have a job and buy things legitimately. Good to know that MS is doing something about the pirates, they need to see that there are consequences for stealing.



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nightsurge on 25 November 2009
twesterm said:
heruamon said:
WheelStriker said:

The worst part about getting banned from xbox live is that you don't get back your $50. $50 is a lot of money to play online, compaed to psn which is free.

Then don't do illegal shit, and sorry, but $50 isn't alot of money a year for what I get for Gold. 

And only idiots pay $50.  Live is anywhere from $30-40 a year.

And not to mention this doesn't even ban your LIVE account, just your console so you can redownload everything or keep using your LIVE account on another console.



Jereel Hunter on 25 November 2009
twesterm said:

That article is TERRIBLE.

  1. They seem to make MS bad for not explaining their banning process.  They don't explicitely tel you these things so it's harder for pirates, the very people their condemning at the start of the article, to get around this process.
  2. They assume re-verify only means they make sure they only banned the correct console.  They do not know that, for all they know that's simply the term they use.  Who knows, for all they know they might be right that it's simply a flag that gets turned on your console from the background app that they say is there and all it takes to re-investigate is to re-verify that flag was set.
  3. If you do the crime, make sure you can do the crime.  Who gives a fuck if pirates lose all their DLC they bought? 
  4. THIS DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE COSMETIC MODIFICATIONS GETS YOU BANNED!  Where the fuck does this keep coming up?  Is it from the unauthorized upgrades?  Are people really that stupid to think that means cosmetic upgrades?  Jesus people, grow a damn brain.  You won't get banned for modding your case, the most that will be done is having your warranty voided.
  5. It's very clear in the terms that only MS can make repairs if you want the warranty to cover them.  It's no secret that if you have some outside person repair your 360, your warranty is gone.  I have no idea why they act so surprised.  If you want the free service, you just have to deal with the extra time.

Really, this is just a terrible article and it seems like it's only out to villify Microsoft.

Agreed. Especially about the warranty issue. Do you know how many companies let you crack open their product, tinker with it, send it out to someone now officially qualified to work on it, and THEN respect a warranty? There's virtually no product in ANY category that allows that.

As I read that article, it was abundantly clear that the writer didn't like Microsoft, and used semantics and supposition to make banning pirates somehow seem bad.



JohnBen on 01 December 2009

Good article.Then don't do illegal shit, and sorry, but $50 isn't alot of money a year for what I get for Gold.

 

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Videogirl on 01 December 2009
Euphoria14 said:
Mvp4eVa said:
Euphoria14 said:
^

I don't see how MS would know that you had it fixed by a 3rd party source, but that does make me wonder something.

If you send it to MS and they see that the seal has been broken and repairs have been done in the past, provided that you eventually decided to send it to them, would they send you back a banned console?

This is the part that caught my attention from the OP:

 

I’m afraid it gets worse. Piracy isn’t the only thing that can get an Xbox 360 banned from Xbox Live. If you have any repairs or cosmetic modifications done to your console by anyone other than Microsoft, you run the risk of getting banned if they find out about it.

It means your are force to send it to Microsoft for repair ...imo that's BS.

And no if your seal of warranty is broken they (Microsft) wont send you a banned console back instead they will charge you for repair fees.

You're not forced to send it to Microsoft because if you get it done by a 3rd party source there is really no way what so ever of them finding out.

 

As for the last sentence in your post. What I was asking is that if MS sees that your seal is broken and that repair work was done on your 360 by someone other than them, would they send you back a banned console?

The article seems to suggest that they would.

I would hope that they wouldn't do something like that though. I remember changing the case on my PS2 and installing a Crystal Chip in it. I completely forgot about the chip and sent my PS2 into Sony for repairs.

They sent back my PS2 in the custom case but removed the chip, which was understandable. Luckily though for me they were dumb and the chip was sent back along with my console.

There's actually a way for MS to know about that. If you call them to get a repair, you have to give your information and the serial number of your console, only then they tell you if you are bound to pay for the repair. Say you decide not to, repair it yourself, and go on live again, they can track your console online, and since the console is marked has "unrepaired" in their system they can proove you have breached the ToU and ban you.

 

As for Twesterm saying "THIS DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE COSMETIC MODIFICATIONS GETS YOU BANNED!"

I saw a thread once on the Offical forum where a guy got banned for changing the fans on his 360, and the mod replying that unless mods where external decals, paintjobs or modification he was entitled to be banned. 

Here are the ToU of XboxLive regarding specific modifications.

"16.  Service Operation and Equipment.

The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer, or other device authorized by us, or by logging into your account via Xbox.com .  You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service, that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., through unauthorized repairs, unauthorized upgrades, or unauthorized downloads), and that we have the right to send data , applications or other content to any software or hardware that you are using to access the Service for the express purpose of detecting an unauthorized modification.  Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute, or use for other purposes the Service, any game , application, or other content available or accessible through the Service, or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console is strictly prohibited and may result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft.  Microsoft may take any legal action it deems appropriate against users who violate Microsoft's systems or network security ,this contract or any additional terms incorporated or referenced in this contract, and such users may also incur criminal or civil liability.

Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of the Service.  Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to the Service; (b) retrieve information from the original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, personal computer, and any connected peripheral device used to log onto the Service as necessary to operate and protect the security of the Service, and to enforce this contract; and (c ) upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of the Service, any game or other content available or accessible through the Service, or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console, or personal computer, from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, or personal computer, including software that prevents you from accessing the Service, playing pirated games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices."