ironman said:
masterb8tr said:
ironman said:
masterb8tr said:
ironman said:
masterb8tr said:
ironman said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:
So you are saying that no company is allowed to stop you from doing anything to any of their products in Norway? I call bull.
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Weak argument much=?After you've purchased their product, the product is yours to do whatever you want with . Companies can in some cases make som changes in your product/the agreement after you bought it, however a one-sided change in a agreement like such is rarely approved.
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Yes, you can do whatever you want with your console. But a company does not have the right to make an unapproved product. Microsoft has the right to deny it. It is not right for a company to make a profit on Microsoft's console without paying anything to them
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Things are not that simple. Yes Microsoft has every right to change the design of their consoles so it doesnt accept modchips ect(as long as it doesnt cause monopoly issues) If i however can make a modchip that works on the 360, i can sell it to customers without giving MS a cent, as its not based on their technology. Its all about licenses and patents. Take cell phones for example. Usually you get the cellphones cheaper if it comes with a subscription to a telecompany. The phone will usually be locked to only work with that telecompany's simcards. Its not illegal however to make a program that removes this simcard lock.
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Mod chips have nothing to do with the topic my friend. But since you went down that road, mod chips are not illegal to sell. You can even put one in your console without any issues, heck, you can even put a Linux on the modchip..it's once you put a modded version of the MS dashboard onto the mod chip that it becomes illegal. As for the Cell phone example, that is bogus, if you cancel your cellular plan early, often you are liable for early cancelation fees which are meant to cover the cost of the cell phone. This virtually eliminates fraud.
On both fronts you are grossly off topic, and neither point is sufficaint enough to prove anything more than the fact that you are clueless.
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Modchips has something to do with the topic... My point being Ms cant ban modchip or datels memorycard on already sold 360's, At least not in my country. They cant remove features i paid for later on. AS for the cell phone example you are clueless. It has nothing to do with cancelling the subscription to the telecompany only opening up the cellphone for other simcards. Its not fraud, hell they even run commercials on tv for that program in my country. In case you missed the point, different countries different laws..
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But they are not banning modchips or anything of the sort. They are just updating their firmware, it just happens to keep people from using a larger memory card than what they offer. No problem with that, it breaks no laws, and is well within their boundaries.It doesn't even creat a monopoly since third party vendors can still sell memory cards, they just need to be the MS defalt size. You are making a mountain out of a molehill here.
As for the Cellphone example, it was bogus for the resason I pointed out. You can bypass the phones firmware, but the moment you cancel your plan to use the phone on another network, you get hit with an early cancelation fee. At any rate, it was a horrible example on your part.
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Heres the deal. If i mod my console and get 500gig storage, MS is breaking norwegian/and probably other countries law by removing a feature they have no right to remove...
at the boldet: I sure as hell didnt get hit with any early cancelation fee. I can now swap simcards yes, doesnt mean the subscription to the other telecompany is canceled. I still have to pay for their services even if i am not using them. I did not commit to only use their subscripton on my cell, i committed to their services for 12 months. It was a perfectly good example even if it doesnt apply to USA laws.
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That wasn't a stock feature, they are not breaking any lawas if they remove the ability to use 500GB from their firmware. You can always mod the darn thing with an illegal version of the firm ware that will supportyour 500GB.
No, that's a horrible example, Cellphones are a completely differant animal, and you just admitted that what I was saying was completey true, you didn't cancel any plan, so no, you didn't get hit with the cancelation fee. I mean really, explain to me how this fits with memory cards and 360s...because I see no possible way it can.
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whatever, my point dont seem to come across to you anyway. Either way the firmware also blocks your ability to install games(stock feature) on your harddrive, so we can at least agree that what they are doing is illegal..
I was giving an example to dsister. Even if a company(A) makes a product that change the way another company (B)'s product work doesnt mean company A have to pay company B to sell their product. I never talked about canceling any plan, i talked about removing the simcard block with a program i bought. The devolopers of that program doesnt pay the cellmanufacturer or the telecompany even if their product is meant to alter how the cell works.
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Your point is nothing more than butthurt against MS...it didn't convey anything more than ignorance on the subject from your end. The firmware does not block the ability to install games on your stock HD. Besides, why would they do that? They just made that feature avalable not too long ago. Even if what you say were true, that would not negate the fact that you could throw a mod chip in your box and get that feature back. So we can at least agree that what they are doing falls well within the confines of any law.
Yes, but your whole premise was faulty BECAUSE once you talk about plans and cancelations, it puts perspective in to the mix...and that definatly wreaks havok on your argument. And even foregoing the cancelation and early termination fees, The argument fails because you are aquating a program to a mod chip...well guess what, neither one is illegal by any stretch of the imagination. It's when you flash your mod chip with a reworked copy of the MS firmware that you perform an illegal act. Your whole argument is based on the premise that a mod chip is illegal, and it's not.
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