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jneul said:

the Arcade is tho, as seen as people don't supposedly care about quality that would be the one they get, do your research properly please^^

you are now contradicting yourself, so just stop now, you said people don't care about quality and it's all about price, now you are saying wii is not vunerable because of it's library, make your mind up

Quality isn't the issue, the issue is that the arcade is clearly seen as the Xbox with fewer features, people will compare the elite and the PS3, most won't include the arcade, because the arcade is clearly the version with less features, as I pointed out earlier features is an important aspect of sales decision, much more than quality.

 

Wrong!  I said that when the libraries are similar price is the issue (I also talked about features):

No, its price in this case, 360 and PS3 have similar libraries, so price plays a big role in sales, PS3 was prior to a few months ago, $50+ more than the 360, as a result consumers were able to decide whether the features like Blu-ray were worth paying extra for PS3 or getting the 360 for less, now that there is a price partiy, there is little reason to purchase the 360 over the PS3, due to the similar libraries, but as we saw from the sale, there is a demand for the consoles at a lower price, this demand will likely be satisfied largely by whatever console enters that price range first.

 

So Wii is different because its library makes it so

 

No contradictions, you just have a bad memory of what I have said



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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And yet the Arcade was the reason, to some here, that the 360 would continue to outsell PS3 post-Slim release.

I am curious to see the numbers this week after the sale. Just wondering if most who would have gotten the 360 this past week decided to go ahead and get it during the sale. Though some did say that the sale went on throughout the rest of the week, but I haven't heard of any official word from Wal-mart. If that is the case though, I'll just have to wait till next weeks numbers and see if 360 has a drop, or if the holidays are enough to sustain it at the same level.

Actually, come to think of it, next week numbers are going to most likely be up for all consoles because of Black Friday sales. Damn, next Thursday is going to be very interesting.



Avinash_Tyagi said:
Icyedge said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Are your sure about that, lol, what we saw is that reducing the price did raise sales, and quite a lot, and that was only a limited reduction, a permanent cut WW would raise sales much more.

As for Sony, its only assumes that the 360 price cut would not cut into its sales, likelihood is that it would, see as the game titles got released this year, most would be shared across the two consoles, the lower price od the 360 would drive more sales to the 360 and away from the PS3 and over time, any momentum from the slim would die down, eventually the PS3 would be back down, while the 360 absorbed the sales.

Your not getting the principle of a promotion do you? Im gonna repeat myself again, selling something at half price is different than selling something at regular price even if this selling price is the same.


  It doesn't matter, as it still shows there is a demand at the lower price, a price cut is a promotion as well

You really dont understand consumer and promotion mechanics. A regular sale price cut is not a promotion, because the new price become the normal selling price, so is not a promotion. If its a temporary price cut then it is a promotion. Also, like I said before, you cannot base yourself on a promotional price to extrapolate if the item would sale as well at this regular price. Any items in the world will have good sale when its half price because your getting more than what your spending which is not the case when it is the regular price, even if you pay the same amount.

The persons that was able to purchase the 360 during that promotion paid 99$ and receive a real market value of 199$. Its a big difference from buying at 99$ and receiving a real market value of 99$. What it shows is that, theres always demand for a promotional price. It doesnt shows that there would be more than actual xbox demand if it would become 99$ always. Sure there would probably be a bit more demand, but your being dellusional and show that you have no connaisance on marketing if you think it would reflect the promotion sales.

You said that, Wii is not in the same war than PS3 or 360 because it has a different library. When I said a few post earlier that there was a lot more factors then only price, you reply that it wasnt the case. But when you affirm that it is different for the Wii you take into consideration a factor other than price (game library). You could find a lot of other factors to distinguish PS3 and 360 also.



^Except that's not how we've seen it work, we've seen that lowering the price does result in a boost of sales usually a large boost and is usually followed by a long term effect on sales, so saying that a part time sale will have more effect is not backed up by the facts.

Wrong, I said from the beginning that between PS3 and 360 its price, I stated clearly, if you read, that they had similar libraries so price was the main factor, maybe you just need to actually read what I write before replying.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

cant they just put an emulater in to fix the bacwards compatibility problem with new hardware



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
No, I'm just pointing out what I see, the reason you think I have a hatred of Sony is because you prefer Sony and don't like me saying anything that can be construed as negative.

People don't largely care about the quality of build of the systems, as long as it works and delivers what they want at a price they can afford.

As with anything, if two products are similar enough, the product that gives you more for the price is bought, right now its the PS3, the 360 lacks some of the features of the PS3 and since they are at price Parity, the PS3 is leading, however if you look at it objectively, you see this, one that we have already seen evidence of demand increasing for the 360 at lower costs, two, that Sony is losing money on each PS3 and MS is making money on the 360, and finally that MS can price cut to a greater degree than Sony can.

Now you can dispute all you want, but the facts are clear a lower priced 360 will see its sales rise, and the evidence shows a large rise, likely enough to overtake the PS3 in weekly sales, in addition MS can afford this price cut more than Sony can, as MS is currently profitable as is their gaming, Sony is not profitable, and neither is their gaming division.

It is in MS's best interest to cut, and then, force Sony into a financial bind.

That's what i was going on about thank you, very much.

See caught you out, and you hate it now, don't you??

PS3 has a slight advantage over the xbox 360 library wise, it has more qualaity exclusives like Uncharted, LBP, Killzone, Resistance, Demon Souls, GT, God of war, Ratchet and Clank, need I keep on going on??

They have such a variety in games and it is only growing, you are blind if you can't see the PS3 is growing, and will only continue to do so in the future, this is why, no matter what m$ does it will not affect PS3 sales in the future.

The only thing i can even see making the slightest difference, is if every casual user coverts to xbox 360 when natal comes out, which i cannot see happening, the wii already has caught that audience and i think both the wand and natal will not do as well as m$ or sony wants them to.



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^caught me at what? I said quality of the build, that has nothing to do with the arcade, the build is how well the system is built, and yes delivers what they want at the price they can afford, compared to the elite, the arcade doens't deliver what people want.

Again I think you need to read what I write before replying to me.

No there is no advantage in the PS3 library, what the PS3 has, is price parity and because of its extra features its selling better



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

you don't read what i say either.... why do i even bother, how old are you anyway i bet you are some teenager who knows nothing.. get educated ok, and then come back and still argue that people will choose xbox over ps3.

If you had played on any of the PS3 games you would not be saying that, enjoy missing out on some of the best games this gen, because at least i know i will be getting the best of both worlds.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

^ROFL, just because you are a PS3 fan doesn't mean that everyone is, and I have played PS3 and 360 games, haven't enjoyed either, its why I am a Wii owner and not a PS3 and 360 owner, and plenty of people pick 360 every week, so your arguments are flawed.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
^ROFL, just because you are a PS3 fan doesn't mean that everyone is, and I have played PS3 and 360 games, haven't enjoyed either, its why I am a Wii owner and not a PS3 and 360 owner, and plenty of people pick 360 every week, so your arguments are flawed.

whereas lots of people pick ps3 over xbox360 currently which is why it is selling more on a world wide basis, just because you hate sony does not mean everyone does.

my arguments are not flawed but clearly you are biased.

finally i am not a 100% sony fan otherwise why would i have a wii?? i support other consoles as well, plus i even gave xbox 360 a chance last year, as i was curious as to what all the fuss was, it all turned out to be hype in the end, then only game i actually enjoyed was lost odysee, the rest (fable 2, halo 3 etc) were over hyped and was it an utter dissapointment.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1