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zexen_lowe said:
I don't know McL's budget, if they hire Kimi it's because they know they can afford him, so I don't have to worry.

And I don't think I have to prove Kimi's better driver than Button, everyone knows that. Damn, just look at the seasons they both won, Kimi won a championship with a car that was clearly inferior to the McL during all the season, and he still managed to beat both of them, Button won the season by carrying the success of the first seven races, where his car was leagues ahead of all the others, and when the playing field leveled he never won a race again

unfair comparison much?

Button was lucky enough that Brawn had the best car for much of the season, he's a good driver and took the chance to get the points, the only way you could compare would be if Button was in a car that was a close 2nd best and won or didnt win the WDC with it, the Brawn car was far off the pace for several races, not level, but behind the Red Bull and/or Ferrari/McLaren. Name me one driver who won the WDC in the last 10 years who wasnt in the best or one of the best car's.

another thing to note, Button has only been in a compettetive top car for 1 season, he won the WDC, Kimi has spent most of his career in a top car and only has 1 WDC, if were doing blind comparisons that ignore half the factors, then lets mention this too, huh?

Button has also proved he is a good driver in the past, in 2004, he came 3rd behind the Ferrari's with more the double his team mates points tally in a car that wasnt great, in 2005 and 2006 he outclassed easily the more experienced and more highly rated Barrichello in a mid grid car..

Like I said, I rate Kimi as a driver too, but to claim Button is inferior and imply that it's a significant gulf in ability isnt fair at all, Kimi may well be better, but its not a huge gap at all, certainly not a £17m per year gap, thats my point and thats why McLaren are probably looking more seriously at signing Button



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Maybe there's a reason why Button has never been in a competitive car like you say and Kimi has.

And please. Kimi lost the 2003 championship to the best Schumacher by two points in a car that was as unreliable as possible, and that broke usually when he was winning (remember Nurburgring?), after that the only time he had a good car again were in 2005 (great fight against Alonso, but McL's bad start and unreliability costed him) and 2007 (won). Button's biggest thread during the last season was BARRICHELLO. I mean, seriously, you can't compare.

And as I said, I don't care how much he costs. Kimi's better than Button, thus I want Kimi in McL. I don't care about finances




keeping Ross Brawn is the main thing for the new Mercedes team,i guess

i always wondered why Mercedes never had their own team anyway.......based in germany

it will probably be the start of the end for Mclaren because let's face it these days if you don't have a ferrari or mercedes engine you don't win championships,

and yes i know they have a mercedes engine for a few years but still they won't be the No 1 mercedes team,



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'Button was lucky enough that Brawn had the best car for much of the season.'

You answered your own question really.



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Kim would have been champion with McLaren if the car didn't suck so hard back when he was with them.. Seriously, the amount of times it failed was ridiculous. Michael Schumacher meanwhile had a car that didn't fail for something like 36 races in a row, a record.



 

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puffy said:
Kim would have been champion with McLaren if the car didn't suck so hard back when he was with them.. Seriously, the amount of times it failed was ridiculous. Michael Schumacher meanwhile had a car that didn't fail for something like 36 races in a row, a record.

in 2003, yeah, I was rooting for him too, never been keen on Schumacher

my point is simply that Button is a good driver who won the WDC fair and square, sure he had the best car, but like I said, so did many other champions.



Ah didn't see that this thread is the real F1 debate.

I agree with the overall idea that Kimi would have been a better driver at mclaren, but i don't mind that he won't. Vettel probably is gonna be the one who im rooting for, otherwise Massa.



saucyzer said:
Ah didn't see that this thread is the real F1 debate.

I agree with the overall idea that Kimi would have been a better driver at mclaren, but i don't mind that he won't. Vettel probably is gonna be the one who im rooting for, otherwise Massa.

Vettel is a good driver, It will be interesting to see if Red Bull are still competetive next season, same with Brawn (now Mercedes)

Massa will have a big job alongside Alonso, Ill be impressed if he can beat Fernando