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Final-Fan on 16 November 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:

Otherwise, Dgc, or I have no idea.  

Interesting that you would group yourself with Dgc1808.

What else are you and Dgc1808 thinking?

What the hell?  I've heard of being hanged on a comma, but I never thought it would happen to me!

First, the context:
(I suspect WoW for the arsonist) "Otherwise, Dgc, or I have no idea" 

What I mean by that is "otherwise, I suspect Dgc as the arsonist, or I have no idea who the arsonist is.   There is no other way to interpret that sentence GIVEN the placement of those commas, IMO.  

(If I was colluding with Dgc, directly in contradiction of all of what I've said before in this thread I might add,  then it should read, "Otherwise, Dgc and I have no idea".  Note the lack of a second comma as well as "and" instead of "or".  By the way, this isn't the first time I've voiced suspicion of Dgc.)  

I'm not working with Dgc at all.  The only thing he and I have in common is suspicion of c03n3nj0, which I hold DESPITE Dgc's shared opinion, not because of it, as I've said previously.  

As for me "forgetting" about the mafia in favor of over-concentrating on the arsonist:  
WHY THE FUCK AM I VOTING FOR C03N3NJ0, IF I SUSPECT YOU AS THE ARSONIST?  

I'll tell you why.  Because I haven't forgotten about the mafia.   

This crusade against me based on misunderstanding and oversight makes me more suspicious of WoW than ever, because he is a very, very sharp operator.   



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Final-Fan on 16 November 2009

In fact, I just realized: I'm voting c03n3nj0 because he was acting weird, and IMO at this point WoW's been acting even weirder over a more extended period of time -- so why am I still keeping my vote on c03n3nj0?

Unvote c03n3nj0
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Final-Fan on 16 November 2009

Just a note, all this talk about concentrating on the arsonist or the mafia or whatever --

Finding a bad guy is hard enough. Finding a specific TYPE of bad guy is just wishful thinking at my skill level, unless I spot a faction. I like WoW as the arsonist, but if he's mafia I consider that a victory for my detection skills.



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Final-Fan on 16 November 2009

... so why did I vote for 'c03n3nj0 the mafia' and 'WoW the arsonist', you may ask. That's a fair question. The answer is simple, if perhaps a bit foolish: we were talking about mafia when suspicion was falling on j0, and we were talking about the arsonist when I developed my suspicion of WoW. Also WoW just "feels" like an SK kind of guy, that's what he was last time he was bad IIRC. Not that that really means anything.

P.S. Sorry for the multi-posts, but I kept thinking of stuff to say after I thought I was done.



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Son1x on 17 November 2009

I'm not going to sit around and wait for WoW each time. And he didn't even make any sense with the fire-fighter role-claim thing.

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Words Of Wisdom on 17 November 2009
Mafia Round 10B
Lynched | Murdered | Other
Player Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Role
c03n3nj0 No Lynch
 Final-Fan      
Dgc1808 (no vote)
 c03n3nj0
     
Final-Fan (no vote) Words Of Wisdom      
makingmusic476 No Lynch Final-Fan
     
sabby_e17 No Lynch        
Son1x No Lynch
Words Of Wisdom
      
supermario128 No Lynch        
Words Of Wisdom No Lynch Final-Fan      
Vetteman94 No Lynch
 ---  ---  --- Townsfolk
Soleron (no vote)  --- ---
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Friendly Neighbor


Words Of Wisdom on 17 November 2009

It's interesting to see Final-Fan's defense.  

In past games, he'd be roleclaiming by now... but he isn't.  I wonder why.

As a funny side note, notice Dgc1808's vote.  c03n3nj0.  It's the same person Final-Fan just unvoted.  They tried to bandwagon him early by voting him with no evidence here and here.

You don't lynch people without evidence.  Good thing there's plenty of it on Final-Fan.



Final-Fan on 17 November 2009

I remember some posts spelling out exactly how c03n3nj0 was acting weird, from more than one person. I just agreed with them.

If my memory isn't totally bonkers, I think it's really interesting that you are ignoring those other posts in your attack on me.

Also, IMO, totally ignoring somebody's defense and just shifting to a new attack -- without either criticizing that defense or acknowledging that it is a strong one -- is classic mafia/bad guy to me. WoW just did exactly that.

I didn't roleclaim because I don't think it's necessary to kill your insanity. I think others will agree that your previous attack is bogus, and I ask them to stand by while I prepare to rebut this new one.

Also, guys, please remember the game (8?) where he was the SK leading you all by the nose to kill someone for a stupid reason. You all went along... please at least take a good hard look at what you're doing before killing me.

If I can't find those posts I'm thinking of I'll roleclaim.



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Final-Fan on 17 November 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:

It's interesting to see Final-Fan's defense.  

In past games, he'd be roleclaiming by now... but he isn't.  I wonder why.

As a funny side note, notice Dgc1808's vote.  c03n3nj0.  It's the same person Final-Fan just unvoted.  They tried to bandwagon him early by voting him with no evidence here and here.

You don't lynch people without evidence.  Good thing there's plenty of it on Final-Fan.

Okay, Day 1, page 1 @ 50 per.  
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Dgc and j0 exhange posts, Dgc latches on to j0's apparently insufficient denials of bad-guy-ism.
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j0 says it's because he was not taking it seriously and besides he already made a pro-town claim.  
I ask where because I don't see it.  
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I see it and he confirms.  It's relatively easy to miss and obscure.   

Day 2, page 2:  
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Dgc starts the day out with a strong attack on c03n3nj0.
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I point out that Dgc's posts have not shown any surprise about the arsonist, in stark contrast to you and IIRC the other early posters also commented on it but not Dgc.  I say I am suspicious of ("want to FoS") j0 for Day 1 but Dgc for Day 2.

After all that, I point out that with at least 3/8 of the town believed to be bad guys, anyone has decent odds of being bad and j0 is a pretty good place to start looking.  

Now, none of that is exactly rock solid but I don't think it's NOTHING and I don't think it shows a strong bond between me and Dgc.  In retrospect I wonder why I voted j0 and not Dgc but whatever, I'd probably be accused of being on a faction with j0 in that case.   

I said I'd roleclaim if I couldn't find the post history I was looking for to defend me instead.  I found it.  If you guys (not WoW) still want me to roleclaim I will.   



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Final-Fan on 17 November 2009

I guess there weren't too many other people that agreed about j0 being suspicious, though, just a couple comments from sabby and no vote. Looking back there were more people (including me) suspicious of Dgc. But somehow I don't think anyone voted him?



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