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emilie autumn said:

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.  

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe the fact is that the Germans that were supposedly 'Protestant' didn't actually hold to their tenants? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean that they adhere to the religion by letter. As Kasz states (accurately), then we'd have to start holding Atheists responsible for all deaths due to Eugenics and Communism.

Also, I am unsure how 'Protestant America' killed MLKJ. Martin Luther King Junior was a Baptist clergyman. His supposed murderer James Earl Rey was not Protestant. Furthermore, I am unsure which Christian denominations were involved in promoting the Iraq war. Could you please cite which ones did this?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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Kasz216 said:
Saying the Klu Klux Clan is a protestant orginzation is like saying the Nazis were an atheist organization.

Which is odd why you use such a bad comparison when you yourself mention the Nazis.

thnak you sir, you just make lose all faith in humanity and reason.



 

emilie autumn said:
Kasz216 said:
Saying the Klu Klux Clan is a protestant orginzation is like saying the Nazis were an atheist organization.

Which is odd why you use such a bad comparison when you yourself mention the Nazis.

thnak you sir, you just make lose all faith in humanity and reason.

Um.  Ok.  Though it's a perfectly reasonable statement.

Protestants don't support the KKK and Atehists didn't support the Nazis. 

 

The only reason catholics aren't off the hook is because the Catholic Church is the head of the religion and the ones who did some much historical evil... and then later histroical silence.



mrstickball said:
caz -

My argument about South America and Africa is that if Catholocism was a true force for good....Wouldn't we see reductions in poverty? After all, the sum of the Bible can be found in the teachings of Jesus concerning helping others, and holiness. Given the results of the Catholic church...It's hard to say that they've been an overall force for good.

Of course, maybe I'm biased. They killed a lot of protestants because we thought differently.


That argument is retarded, religion doesnt have to do with the wealthness of a country, hell, europe was catholic.

All religions have crazy assholes and I dont think protestants are free of them, after all we saw some sick exorcism to a gay boy a few weeks ago, living in a country which is mostly catholic I havent heard any of that here on the news from catholic institutions.

Also, even if Im agnostic, catholic church has helped in many things and leads in some things as education in my country, they also have a strong institution which I think its the cause it gets so much hate, besides those things like not supporting gay people, but this is a thing most religions do too.

Also, maybe living in a country where the mayority is catholic leads people to be more open minded just for the sake of being normal, but Ive haerd catholics in USA are a bit extreme, but hell, everyday we get crazy news from the USA and their religios people.



mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe the fact is that the Germans that were supposedly 'Protestant' didn't actually hold to their tenants? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean that they adhere to the religion by letter. As Kasz states (accurately), then we'd have to start holding Atheists responsible for all deaths due to Eugenics and Communism.

Also, I am unsure how 'Protestant America' killed MLKJ. Martin Luther King Junior was a Baptist clergyman. His supposed murderer James Earl Rey was not Protestant. Furthermore, I am unsure which Christian denominations were involved in promoting the Iraq war. Could you please cite which ones did this?

lol, going by your logic, we shouldn't hold the catholic church guilty for all their crimes, caus that they say that the are catholics and belive in certain things, doesn't mean they'll do it, get your shit straight.

 

as it being said before in this thread, south america is fucked up cause of catholism, so the iraq war is waiged by a mainly protestan nation, so there you go, logic first. i don't like catholism, but i like less how people blame all of christianitys problems on it and tend to make protestan saints.



 

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pastro243 said:
mrstickball said:
caz -

My argument about South America and Africa is that if Catholocism was a true force for good....Wouldn't we see reductions in poverty? After all, the sum of the Bible can be found in the teachings of Jesus concerning helping others, and holiness. Given the results of the Catholic church...It's hard to say that they've been an overall force for good.

Of course, maybe I'm biased. They killed a lot of protestants because we thought differently.


That argument is retarded, religion doesnt have to do with the wealthness of a country, hell, europe was catholic.

All religions have crazy assholes and I dont think protestants are free of them, after all we saw some sick exorcism to a gay boy a few weeks ago, living in a country which is mostly catholic I havent heard any of that here on the news from catholic institutions.

Also, even if Im agnostic, catholic church has helped in many things and leads in some things as education in my country, they also have a strong institution which I think its the cause it gets so much hate, besides those things like not supporting gay people, but this is a thing most religions do too.

Also, maybe living in a country where the mayority is catholic leads people to be more open minded just for the sake of being normal, but Ive haerd catholics in USA are a bit extreme, but hell, everyday we get crazy news from the USA and their religios people.

Yeah,  Catholic Church does a lot of good in South America... you gotta wonder if it balances out though... since some of their other stances tend to hurt africa.



emilie autumn said:
mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe the fact is that the Germans that were supposedly 'Protestant' didn't actually hold to their tenants? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean that they adhere to the religion by letter. As Kasz states (accurately), then we'd have to start holding Atheists responsible for all deaths due to Eugenics and Communism.

Also, I am unsure how 'Protestant America' killed MLKJ. Martin Luther King Junior was a Baptist clergyman. His supposed murderer James Earl Rey was not Protestant. Furthermore, I am unsure which Christian denominations were involved in promoting the Iraq war. Could you please cite which ones did this?

lol, going by your logic, we shouldn't hold the catholic church guilty for all their crimes, caus that they say that the are catholics and belive in certain things, doesn't mean they'll do it, get your shit straight.

 

as it being said before in this thread, south america is fucked up cause of catholism, so the iraq war is waiged by a mainly protestan nation, so there you go, logic first. i don't like catholism, but i like less how people blame all of christianitys problems on it and tend to make protestan saints.

So.... Atheism responsible for communist and Nazi deaths then?

Catholics are responsible for stuff the Church does... because it's there church.

Unless the official Church approves something or does it themselves, to blame something on religion because some of the people who did it were of a certain religion is batshit insane.



Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
Kasz216 said:
Saying the Klu Klux Clan is a protestant orginzation is like saying the Nazis were an atheist organization.

Which is odd why you use such a bad comparison when you yourself mention the Nazis.

thnak you sir, you just make lose all faith in humanity and reason.

Um.  Ok.  Though it's a perfectly reasonable statement.

Protestants don't support the KKK and Atehists didn't support the Nazis.

 

The only reason catholics aren't off the hook is because the Catholic Church is the head of the religion and the ones who did some much historical evil... and then later histroical silence.

i already explained this *sigh* the requisite to enter the ku klux klan was to be a protestan white male. people tend to blame the catholics for being evil(inquisition) but as i explained before, the murders weren't carried over by the church, so the same way, as the klans murders weren't carried over by protestant church but yes by protestan people, we should blame them. BE IMPARTIAL, i suppose thats what i want to say.



 

emilie autumn said:
Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
Kasz216 said:
Saying the Klu Klux Clan is a protestant orginzation is like saying the Nazis were an atheist organization.

Which is odd why you use such a bad comparison when you yourself mention the Nazis.

thnak you sir, you just make lose all faith in humanity and reason.

Um.  Ok.  Though it's a perfectly reasonable statement.

Protestants don't support the KKK and Atehists didn't support the Nazis.

 

The only reason catholics aren't off the hook is because the Catholic Church is the head of the religion and the ones who did some much historical evil... and then later histroical silence.

i already explained this *sigh* the requisite to enter the ku klux klan was to be a protestan white male. people tend to blame the catholics for being evil(inquisition) but as i explained before, the murders weren't carried over by the church, so the same way, as the klans murders weren't carried over by protestant church but yes by protestan people, we should blame them. BE IMPARTIAL, i suppose thats what i want to say.

Your not being impartial though.  Your being inconsistant.



Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe the fact is that the Germans that were supposedly 'Protestant' didn't actually hold to their tenants? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean that they adhere to the religion by letter. As Kasz states (accurately), then we'd have to start holding Atheists responsible for all deaths due to Eugenics and Communism.

Also, I am unsure how 'Protestant America' killed MLKJ. Martin Luther King Junior was a Baptist clergyman. His supposed murderer James Earl Rey was not Protestant. Furthermore, I am unsure which Christian denominations were involved in promoting the Iraq war. Could you please cite which ones did this?

lol, going by your logic, we shouldn't hold the catholic church guilty for all their crimes, caus that they say that the are catholics and belive in certain things, doesn't mean they'll do it, get your shit straight.

 

as it being said before in this thread, south america is fucked up cause of catholism, so the iraq war is waiged by a mainly protestan nation, so there you go, logic first. i don't like catholism, but i like less how people blame all of christianitys problems on it and tend to make protestan saints.

So.... Atheism responsible for communist and Nazi deaths then?

Catholics are responsible for stuff the Church does... because it's there church.

Unless the official Church approves something or does it themselves, to blame something on religion because some of the people who did it were of a certain religion is batshit insane.


Atheism is not a religion, its a denomination. if you refer to the latter part that started with "lol" i said i was going by his logic(and the overral used by people in this thread) not mine