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MikeB said:
ironman said:
MikeB said:
ironman said:
MikeB said:
@ ironman

No, PC games are PC games.a PC is a completely diferant animal than a PC. the Xbox was MS's first stab into the console gaming market


The original XBox was mainly just a low-end PC in a game console casing.

Computing history is full of game consoles which could be expanded into becoming computers and vice versa by cutting out a keyboard and replacing casettes/disks with cartridges.

Not that different at all.

Yes, a Console and a PC are very differant. the lines are starting to blurr, but there is a disticntion. You are trying to compair apples to oranges to validate a failed argument. No matter what way you look at it, the xbox was a new console to the market.

For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleco_Adam

Or for example the Amiga was an ultra high end home computer / desktop computer (with pre-emptive mulit-tasking, 4096 colors and stereo audio at a time when Mac/PC rivals were single-tasking, 2 color, beeping or soundless crappy machinery), which was aimed to be a console at first because of investors, despite developer ambitions to design a full computer. Eventually they quickly turned it into a full computer because of the games market crash at the time.

 

That is completely irrelevant! When the xbox entered the market, it was a NEW CONSOLE. I really don't know why you can't admit to that. There is no way around it. It was not a new computer, it was a new console. It was a console that was new to the the consumers. How many other ways do I need to put this?

I am saying it's nothing remarkable this step from desktop to console (or vice versa). For example the most innovative virtual reality arcade machines had an Amiga 3000 at their core. Also for example Microsoft already had Windows CE (for example also running on PocketPCs) with DirectX running on the Sega Dreamcast as its operating system.

Yet again, your point is moot. Since when has MS made a PC? To my knowlege, never. MS is in the OS and parphenilia business. Do you honestly think that anybody said "Oh look, a MS PC" when they saw the Xbox? I highly doubt it. Either way, to the consumers, the Xbox was a new console put out by a business that was new to the console market.



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-ku- said:
NJ5 said:
austin2359 said:
At the end of 10 years I think Sony will make a profit if you consider blu-ray's victory and software.

This has come up before... I don't have the links at hand now, but if I remember correctly Sony would have to sell an insane amount of BR discs to every single human being in developed countries to even come close to recouping PS3's losses.

The royalties on movie discs are actually not high at all... nothing compared to game software. And even with game software, the PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 made in profit.

In short, it's not gonna happen.

 

WTF so currently the PS3 is at a 4.7 billion dollar loss...

And Ps2 was pure profit so let's say on average the first 80 million or so ps3's made a 50 dollar profit= 4 billion

the next 50 million maybe made 20 dollars = 1 billion

and so we can assume the PS2 as a system made 3- 5 billion on the console alone

And GT series alone has been name a billion dollar franchise... but that away from the point.

Sony has sold nearly 1.5 billion peices of CD software and at 5-10 dollars profit for sony= 5- 15 billion

And let's throw in another 500 million in head stets and other accesrioes

 

So sony possibly made 5-25 billion dollars in those years because sony stock was valued at 150 even with a stock split.

 

So no they didnt drain 6th generation funds PS3 cost 3 billion to devolop so it's at a lost of between 4.7-8 billion.

So if it took 3.5 years for 5 billion dollar debt than in twice the time it should pay off because by 720 release 360 support will be cut off PS3 support wont so if it take twice the time to pay off sony will make a profit in it's 10 PS3 year or less.

 

Your estimates are way off... in its best PS2-era year, Sony Computer Entertainment had a $924 billion profit, and the total profit is nowhere near your figures:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1

Besides, the PS3 is not at a 4.7 billion dollar loss. That's SCE's total loss since the PS3 got launched, so it includes PS2/PSP profits made in the past few years.

As if that was not enough, it's not expected that the PS3 will get anywhere near PS2's success, which raises the question of how it can get anywhere near PS2's profits.

PS: You forgot to include costs such as employee salaries, marketing, and so on.

 



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NJ5 said:
-ku- said:
NJ5 said:
austin2359 said:
At the end of 10 years I think Sony will make a profit if you consider blu-ray's victory and software.

This has come up before... I don't have the links at hand now, but if I remember correctly Sony would have to sell an insane amount of BR discs to every single human being in developed countries to even come close to recouping PS3's losses.

The royalties on movie discs are actually not high at all... nothing compared to game software. And even with game software, the PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 made in profit.

In short, it's not gonna happen.

 

WTF so currently the PS3 is at a 4.7 billion dollar loss...

And Ps2 was pure profit so let's say on average the first 80 million or so ps3's made a 50 dollar profit= 4 billion

the next 50 million maybe made 20 dollars = 1 billion

and so we can assume the PS2 as a system made 3- 5 billion on the console alone

And GT series alone has been name a billion dollar franchise... but that away from the point.

Sony has sold nearly 1.5 billion peices of CD software and at 5-10 dollars profit for sony= 5- 15 billion

And let's throw in another 500 million in head stets and other accesrioes

 

So sony possibly made 5-25 billion dollars in those years because sony stock was valued at 150 even with a stock split.

 

So no they didnt drain 6th generation funds PS3 cost 3 billion to devolop so it's at a lost of between 4.7-8 billion.

So if it took 3.5 years for 5 billion dollar debt than in twice the time it should pay off because by 720 release 360 support will be cut off PS3 support wont so if it take twice the time to pay off sony will make a profit in it's 10 PS3 year or less.

 

Your estimates are way off... in its best PS2-era year, Sony Computer Entertainment had a $924 billion profit, and the total profit is nowhere near your figures:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1

Besides, the PS3 is not at a 4.7 billion dollar loss. That's SCE's total loss since the PS3 got launched, so it includes PS2/PSP profits made in the past few years.

As if that was not enough, it's not expected that the PS3 will get anywhere near PS2's success, which raises the question of how it can get anywhere near PS2's profits.

PS: You forgot to include costs such as employee salaries, marketing, and so on.

 

Erm employee costs etc are part of turnover. And how do you know the ps3 wont achieve ps2 style success sales wise?. Only now is the ps3 at a pricepoint where it can build up a head of steam. And with Sonys superb and numerous 1st party things will atleast be interesting to watch from now on.



alanshearer said:

Erm employee costs etc are part of turnover. And how do you know the ps3 wont achieve ps2 style success sales wise?. Only now is the ps3 at a pricepoint where it can build up a head of steam. And with Sonys superb and numerous 1st party things will atleast be interesting to watch from now on.

They are part of the profit figures, of course. But they aren't part of the estimates of the poster I was replying to.

 



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