XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market.

PS2 was the market leader and had a very large exclusives list, PS3 is not even close, its still third and most of its library is shared with the 360, PS3 won't last 9 years

XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market.

PS2 != PS3.

Sony's situation has changed, dramatically.

Avinash_Tyagi said: XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market. PS2 was the market leader and had a very large exclusives list, PS3 is not even close, its still third and most of its library is shared with the 360, PS3 won't last 9 years

 the guy I reply to is saying that Wii2 and nextbox will release not long now so sony wont have a choice but to follow you on the other hand is saying market leaders are only one that can stay for 10 years in market which is Wii this gen so which one is it???? unless your saying Wii won't last long either.....

jups it is.... finaly sony is getting the hang of it again

XxXProphecyXxX said: Avinash_Tyagi said: XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market. PS2 was the market leader and had a very large exclusives list, PS3 is not even close, its still third and most of its library is shared with the 360, PS3 won't last 9 years  the guy I reply to is saying that Wii2 and nextbox will release not long now so sony wont have a choice but to follow you on the other hand is saying market leaders are only one that can stay for 10 years in market which is Wii this gen so which one is it???? unless your saying Wii won't last long either.....

I doubt Wii 2 will release anytime soon, in fact calling it Wii 2 is inaccurate, Nintendo will want to release something different, something that disrupts like Wii did, so they'll want to launch last, so Sony and MS can't copy, just releasing an upgraded Wii would be a bad move by Nintendo

Xoj said: DirtyP2002 said: ph4nt said: Xoj said: DirtyP2002 said: Xoj said: DirtyP2002 said: austin2359 said: Sony launched with a lot of features and a very high price.  The machine was ahead of its time.  Sony preferred to keep the price high to limit losses, and wait to open itself to the mass market later with to price cuts.  Sony could afford to wait to cut the price, because its technology was so far ahead of its time that the risk of obsolesce was non-existent.  Plus if Sony took a larger loss and sold it at a competitive price, each price drop would no longer serve as an incentive to buy.  Also, there  is no way the expanded audience of casual gamers who may have bought the console at a lower launch price would buy enough games to make the price cut worth it for Sony's losses.   The machine has so much staying power that Sony can afford to slowly cut the price, increasing its sales in intervals and ultimately finishing ahead of its direct HD competitor.  The fact that Sony still has room to cut the price and blu-ray will only get bigger, along with its increased reliability, virtually guarantees that Sony will finish at least in second this generation.  I would give the Wii the edge over the PS3, but with its staying power, it isn't out of the question that the PS3 can close the gap at the end of 10 years.  Nintendo has built up such a large lead, that even though it lacks the staying power, I think Sony may not catch it.  But for making a HD console, Sony had the right strategy.  And Sony already had a successful standard definition console with the PS2 so making another SD console would lead to market saturation. Okay, the PS3 is a good console, but this posts is full of fail. Sony kept the price to limit the losses... Well since the PS3 launched, the division lost 4.7 billion USD. That is quite a number. And this is limited? The losses ONLY made by the PS3 are probably around 6 billion. 4.7 reported + the profit of the PS2 and PSP for 3.5 years! Sony MIGHT make it to 2nd place, but this won't change anything. The PS3 is a financial failure. Sure a good gaming-system, but for Sony it is a failure. Nintendo is printing money, MS is making a profit for more than 1 year now and in 1 or 1.5 years, the Xbox360 will be a profitable product overall. There is no chance, that Sony will cover the losses made (and still making) in the future. Believe me, if Sony had the chance to create the PS3 again, they would change their strategy. If you look at this gen and you had to chose one loser, it would be Sony.   the xbox lost almost twice ps3 lost. yet sony as whole remained profitable until recent economy crisis (caused by USA?). xbox brand its more than 7 billions in the hole as now. u know second place it's loosing, it doens't matter both microsoft and sony lost tons of money. at much as a gamer enjoy the games, if they win or loose money it's just fanboy talk. No it did not. 4.2 billion. PS3 lost way more. 1.8 billion more and counting. And with the money lost with the Xbox and Xbox360, they build a whole new brand. xbox lost  6 billions and the 360 adds over 1 - 2 billions more. Ps3 4.7 billions. It's 6 billion total, the original xbox lost 4.5 or something billion. Plus the PS3 lost more than 4.7 billion, the Sony entertainment division as a whole lost 4.7 billion. The PS2 and PSP are making a profit, PS3 is not, and I think those have made more than 1.3 billion in profit these past 3 years. So Ps3 is probably over 6 billion in the hole. He alreday formed his opinion. Don't confuse him with facts. Major Nelson even said at his podacast that they lost 4.2 billion with the Xbox. The Xbox360 is profitable for some time now and should be profitable for its entire life very soon. I just think it is stupid to say the strategy is paying off when one single product lost more than 6 billion USD. Must have been a pretty bad strategy then. As I said before: with the losses the Xbox made, MS entered the industry and created a new brand. I can't think of any company that creates a new console to enter this industry and is profitable right from the start. both sony and nintendo did profit from the start sony even destroyed everything on their first try, again sony as a whole made money even with the ps3 looses until 2008 Q3. first in 14 years. 14 years of profits. sony have divisions but they still are one company like microsoft, their profits are still count as one, microsoft entertaintment division lost tons of money, so this sony this gen, but that doesn't make neither console any less fun to play.

Damn this is major spin! You did not answer the things I mentioned.

The first PS1 and PS2 were incredible successful, no doubt. Sony did an awesome job in that time. But with the PS3, they simply failed.

And why are you now bringing Sony as a whole company up? Comparing the entire company with MS... this is a battle you can't win.

And as I said before, the PS3 is a good console. It is fun to play, but a financial failure.

Sony started as the undisputed market leader. They were THE guy to beat. Look at them now, they need to cut the price sooner than expected, they need to launch the redesign sooner than expected, they need to take billions of losses just to still have a chance for the 2nd place while their both competitors are already profitable. The first place is out of reach already.

@ DirtyP2002

It's going to take a long time to determine this.

How successful will the PS3 be in the future regarding game sales? How much of an impact will the PS3 have on Sony's sales overall, for example sales of additional HDTVs, Blu-Ray movies, surround sound audio sets, etc. Or would the HD movie war have costed Sony more without the PS3, will the PS3 have additional revenue from things like PlayTV and other still under development projects, etc?

That's a long term question. That the PS3 would require a lot of investments from Sony the first years on the market was already a given.

Don't you see the timing for coming to conclusions just isn't right and there are many different factors involved?

HD DVD was a financial failure and so was the original XBox, we can agree on this as they are of no effect today anymore, but not the PS3.

XxXProphecyXxX said: Avinash_Tyagi said: XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market. PS2 was the market leader and had a very large exclusives list, PS3 is not even close, its still third and most of its library is shared with the 360, PS3 won't last 9 years  the guy I reply to is saying that Wii2 and nextbox will release not long now so sony wont have a choice but to follow you on the other hand is saying market leaders are only one that can stay for 10 years in market which is Wii this gen so which one is it???? unless your saying Wii won't last long either.....

He's saying the Wii will probably follow the path that every market leader seems to follow - continuing to sell into the next generation. Generally the competitors don't manage to do that for a very long time, they get discontinued within about a year.

Rath said: XxXProphecyXxX said: Avinash_Tyagi said: XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market. PS2 was the market leader and had a very large exclusives list, PS3 is not even close, its still third and most of its library is shared with the 360, PS3 won't last 9 years  the guy I reply to is saying that Wii2 and nextbox will release not long now so sony wont have a choice but to follow you on the other hand is saying market leaders are only one that can stay for 10 years in market which is Wii this gen so which one is it???? unless your saying Wii won't last long either..... He's saying the Wii will probably follow the path that every market leader seems to follow - continuing to sell into the next generation. Generally the competitors don't manage to do that for a very long time, they get discontinued within about a year.

Well said. Put in such a way that even the stubborn fanboys should understand.....

peachbuggy said: Rath said: XxXProphecyXxX said: Avinash_Tyagi said: XxXProphecyXxX said: superchunk said: lol @ the 10 year lifespan. 2011 we'll see the PS4 and PS3 will be discontinued in 2012.... in third place. MS and Nintendo will be launching then as well, so Sony will have no choice but to release PS4 and having a non-market dominating machine will guarantee PS3s immediate closure. Only Wii has a chance to sell for a few years after Wii2/HD/+ releases. You know what your right they will stop supporting the ps3 when ps4 and other next gen gets released they won't have any choice but to release ps4 like what they did this gen....I mean they stoped supporting the ps2 when ps3 released in fact they just forgot about the ps2 now it's 9 years old and still in the market. PS2 was the market leader and had a very large exclusives list, PS3 is not even close, its still third and most of its library is shared with the 360, PS3 won't last 9 years  the guy I reply to is saying that Wii2 and nextbox will release not long now so sony wont have a choice but to follow you on the other hand is saying market leaders are only one that can stay for 10 years in market which is Wii this gen so which one is it???? unless your saying Wii won't last long either..... He's saying the Wii will probably follow the path that every market leader seems to follow - continuing to sell into the next generation. Generally the competitors don't manage to do that for a very long time, they get discontinued within about a year. Well said. Put in such a way that even the stubborn fanboys should understand.....

Only Sony consoles have continued to sell into the next generations, and thats because they've been future proofed to an extent. The same will happen with the ps3 with bluray being the biggest factor.