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mrstickball said:
TX,

The problem is that you have virtually no economic data to back up your argument about the 'Bush Brigade'.


     I've got the same data that you used.  When it looked like Mccain's campaign could be helped out by a decrease in thev price of gasoline.  The price of gasoline came down. 



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HappySqurriel said:

txrattlesnake,

There have been many people who have suggested that the spike and collapse in oil prices that you attribute to some (bizarre) conspiracy theory was actually caused by speculation; because, as credit markets seized up and speculators lost their access to low cost loans the price of certain commodities (in particular oil and natural gas) fell to more rational levels that were justified based on economic indicators.

As a general rule the simplest explanation for something tends to be the correct one, and the theory that thousands of independent speculators took their money and invested in to a commodities bubble as outer investments performed poorly is far simpler than a conspiracy theory that has powerful people controlling the price of oil.


thousands of people can do whatever they want to.  It doesn't change the fact that thereare just a few folks at the top of the pyramid that always have the final say.



txrattlesnake said:
HappySqurriel said:

txrattlesnake,

There have been many people who have suggested that the spike and collapse in oil prices that you attribute to some (bizarre) conspiracy theory was actually caused by speculation; because, as credit markets seized up and speculators lost their access to low cost loans the price of certain commodities (in particular oil and natural gas) fell to more rational levels that were justified based on economic indicators.

As a general rule the simplest explanation for something tends to be the correct one, and the theory that thousands of independent speculators took their money and invested in to a commodities bubble as outer investments performed poorly is far simpler than a conspiracy theory that has powerful people controlling the price of oil.


thousands of people can do whatever they want to.  It doesn't change the fact that thereare just a few folks at the top of the pyramid that always have the final say.

So, who decided there was going to be a dot-com bubble and why? Who decided there was going to be a housing bubble and why? Who decided that the stock market would currently be in a bubble as stocks are (way) over-valued based on historic valuations?

Bubbles are similar to pyramid/ponzie schemes where the first people in make a fortune as the next wave of people buys in, the next wave makes a fortune as the following wave buys in, and this continues until the number of new clients is no longer growing and the people who are invested end up holding the bag. The difference between a pyramid/ponzie scheme and a bubble is that a bubble is not controled by anyone.

If the oil-bubble was manufactured by a handful of people you should be able to demonstrate evidence that the majority of trading was being handled by a handful of individuals; being that the spike in oil-prices follows the traditional bubble-trend of having more small investors in the market than ever before I doubt you can demonstrate that it was manufactured.



One should note that if McCain caused the drop in oil prices, you'd think that OPEC nations would have found a way to assassinate Obama. After all, if one man controlled oil prices, then it should have been a no-brainer.



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mrstickball said:
One should note that if McCain caused the drop in oil prices, you'd think that OPEC nations would have found a way to assassinate Obama. After all, if one man controlled oil prices, then it should have been a no-brainer.

 

If that had been done last year, then you really would have seen war in the streets last year which is the one thing the ruling elite wants to avoid because such a thing would actually require them to get their hands dirty and to have to work.



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HappySqurriel said:
txrattlesnake said:
HappySqurriel said:

txrattlesnake,

There have been many people who have suggested that the spike and collapse in oil prices that you attribute to some (bizarre) conspiracy theory was actually caused by speculation; because, as credit markets seized up and speculators lost their access to low cost loans the price of certain commodities (in particular oil and natural gas) fell to more rational levels that were justified based on economic indicators.

As a general rule the simplest explanation for something tends to be the correct one, and the theory that thousands of independent speculators took their money and invested in to a commodities bubble as outer investments performed poorly is far simpler than a conspiracy theory that has powerful people controlling the price of oil.


thousands of people can do whatever they want to.  It doesn't change the fact that thereare just a few folks at the top of the pyramid that always have the final say.

So, who decided there was going to be a dot-com bubble and why? Who decided there was going to be a housing bubble and why? Who decided that the stock market would currently be in a bubble as stocks are (way) over-valued based on historic valuations?

Bubbles are similar to pyramid/ponzie schemes where the first people in make a fortune as the next wave of people buys in, the next wave makes a fortune as the following wave buys in, and this continues until the number of new clients is no longer growing and the people who are invested end up holding the bag. The difference between a pyramid/ponzie scheme and a bubble is that a bubble is not controled by anyone.

If the oil-bubble was manufactured by a handful of people you should be able to demonstrate evidence that the majority of trading was being handled by a handful of individuals; being that the spike in oil-prices follows the traditional bubble-trend of having more small investors in the market than ever before I doubt you can demonstrate that it was manufactured.

 

If true, can you prove that all these speculators or traders were working of their own volition and not under anyone else's influence?  I think not. 



txrattlesnake -

It'd be far easier to prove that traders were working for their own profits than some sort of shadow elite that you can't seem to equate to anyone. Next, you will be telling us that prices went down because the Graviton Belt is going to consume the world, making oil useless.



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mrstickball said:
txrattlesnake -

It'd be far easier to prove that traders were working for their own profits than some sort of shadow elite that you can't seem to equate to anyone. Next, you will be telling us that prices went down because the Graviton Belt is going to consume the world, making oil useless.


      No, the reason that gas went down was in an attempt to get poor people that were having a hard time paying for gas in order to get to work to vote for Mccain with an end result that poor people would be just as screwed as they were under Bush.

      And if the Republicans are let back in office this time as seems to be something that could be likely, mark my words, the Republicans will put in no great programs for change that will assist poor people and that will keep things pretty much staus quo.

 

      I hope the poor will wake up this time though.

 

     Weren't you supposed to tell me a 100% effective plan for getting rich under the stipulations that I outline above?  I don't remember you doing so.

   

 

 



txrattlesnake said:


      No, the reason that gas went down was in an attempt to get poor people that were having a hard time paying for gas in order to get to work to vote for Mccain with an end result that poor people would be just as screwed as they were under Bush.

      And if the Republicans are let back in office this time as seems to be something that could be likely, mark my words, the Republicans will put in no great programs for change that will assist poor people and that will keep things pretty much staus quo.

 

      I hope the poor will wake up this time though.

 

     Weren't you supposed to tell me a 100% effective plan for getting rich under the stipulations that I outline above?  I don't remember you doing so.

 

You are beyond help in understanding economic theory.

At any rate, your question about becoming rich/wealthy under the scenario you gave me:

Sure tell me how to get rich working at a backbreaking and soul destroying job for $8.00 an hour 40 hours a week when you have to pay for insurance, gas for your car if you have to drive very far to work, electricity, your apartment and other bills, while still being able to have enough time and energy for social, cultural, and intellectual development and fulfillment while the supervisors at your job are more concerned with their kids becoming the next big stars in the company rather than anyone else.

  1. See if there are better employment opportunities available in your area.
  2. If you cannot find another, better, job, then create one. Learn online marketing, blogging for cash, doing work on the side, ect. There are many ways you can generate alternate income. For example, you can take a personal day off of work (when applicable) to work elections like I did. You can also participate in online surveys for extra cash as well. My brother went from nothing to making $30,000 a month through affiliate marketing. He has no college experience, and merely dedicated some of his extra time to learning how to market.
  3. Reduce your insurance costs. Check with other companies to see if there are better rates out there. Do you have internet or a cell phone? Check carriers. I just cut my cell phone bill in half yesterday by calling my carrier to see if better rates exist.
  4. Reduce electricity usage as much as possible. See what ways you can make your home more efficient on the bills you pay.
  5. Create a budget. See exactly where your spending goes. Do you ever eat out for food? If so, stop it immediately and learn to cook at home. You will make, on average, $10 per hour that you spend in the kitchen vs. eating out at restaurants and fast food joints.
  6. Ensure your car has its tires inflated, and you are driving at or below the speed limit at all times to improve gas efficiency to reduce your effective gas prices.
  7. Spend some of that fulfillment time your talking about on generating income.

Those would be 6 ways I would begin to increase revenue, decrease costs, and create wealth by being able to save money back. If you want to, PM me your current budget and I can make suggestions to help earn more money. I have about $500,000 in assets now by working a soul sucking, back breaking $8.00/hr job so I am sure that you can make at least some changes to help yourself out.

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

mrstickball said:
txrattlesnake said:


      No, the reason that gas went down was in an attempt to get poor people that were having a hard time paying for gas in order to get to work to vote for Mccain with an end result that poor people would be just as screwed as they were under Bush.

      And if the Republicans are let back in office this time as seems to be something that could be likely, mark my words, the Republicans will put in no great programs for change that will assist poor people and that will keep things pretty much staus quo.

 

      I hope the poor will wake up this time though.

 

     Weren't you supposed to tell me a 100% effective plan for getting rich under the stipulations that I outline above?  I don't remember you doing so.

 

You are beyond help in understanding economic theory.

At any rate, your question about becoming rich/wealthy under the scenario you gave me:

Sure tell me how to get rich working at a backbreaking and soul destroying job for $8.00 an hour 40 hours a week when you have to pay for insurance, gas for your car if you have to drive very far to work, electricity, your apartment and other bills, while still being able to have enough time and energy for social, cultural, and intellectual development and fulfillment while the supervisors at your job are more concerned with their kids becoming the next big stars in the company rather than anyone else.

  1. See if there are better employment opportunities available in your area.
  2. If you cannot find another, better, job, then create one. Learn online marketing, blogging for cash, doing work on the side, ect. There are many ways you can generate alternate income. For example, you can take a personal day off of work (when applicable) to work elections like I did. You can also participate in online surveys for extra cash as well. My brother went from nothing to making $30,000 a month through affiliate marketing. He has no college experience, and merely dedicated some of his extra time to learning how to market.
  3. Reduce your insurance costs. Check with other companies to see if there are better rates out there. Do you have internet or a cell phone? Check carriers. I just cut my cell phone bill in half yesterday by calling my carrier to see if better rates exist.
  4. Reduce electricity usage as much as possible. See what ways you can make your home more efficient on the bills you pay.
  5. Create a budget. See exactly where your spending goes. Do you ever eat out for food? If so, stop it immediately and learn to cook at home. You will make, on average, $10 per hour that you spend in the kitchen vs. eating out at restaurants and fast food joints.
  6. Ensure your car has its tires inflated, and you are driving at or below the speed limit at all times to improve gas efficiency to reduce your effective gas prices.
  7. Spend some of that fulfillment time your talking about on generating income.

Those would be 6 ways I would begin to increase revenue, decrease costs, and create wealth by being able to save money back. If you want to, PM me your current budget and I can make suggestions to help earn more money. I have about $500,000 in assets now by working a soul sucking, back breaking $8.00/hr job so I am sure that you can make at least some changes to help yourself out.

 

 

Thanls for the tips.  However, it sounds like you didn't make that kind of money by simply moving up the company ladder of the company you were working for.  Do you know the odds that an average person has of becoming a bestselling author or recording artist or of creating the next big invention to become a household product?