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Yojimbo on 01 November 2009
hunter_alien said:
Yojimbo said:
The usual eastern countries hate. I have lived 2 years in Russia in the 90s and 6 months Ukraina. I like the people in those countries and the people I have met there have been really friendly. In those 2 years in russia I have met alot of people from different class systems and many of them prefer the old system. But people I have met in countries like Chezh Republic dont like the communism at all and dont like to be called eastern country at all. Same thing about Sweden they have real bad picture about eastern countries. In debates I specially dont listen to people from the US general about politics because there is alot of propaganda in the media there same thing with many countries. The people in the US are scared because of all the programs and shows for the last decades and I dont blame them. The bad picture of eastern countries wont dissapear for very long time same thing with the picture of the US.

 

 

Wow... Im actually not alone on this site If more people would have similar jobs maybe all this hate and fear towards the eastern-european countries would dissapear

We can always hope or more eastern women for me.



 
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Samus Aran on 01 November 2009

Pharaoh: Like I said, you would get beaten up and arrested by the police and lose your job IF you were all those things.

You'd have to be an idiot to say Holocaust doesn't exist in a class with 600 left wing students in BELGIUM(where such a thing is illegal and can get you in jail and you will lose your job for sure and never get a new one)

I don't know how it's in America, but you can't get away with something like that in Belgium.



Kasz216 on 01 November 2009
Badassbab said:
Kasz216 said:
Badassbab said:
Kaz,

I haven't seen any agreement of when the US will leave Iraq, the Iraqis have for years been trying to get them to agree on withdrawal and the Iraqi public have been wanting it since day one. There are agreements on when the the US will withdraw a large proportion of their army but not completely (which is what the majority of the Iraqi and American people want and if democracy mattered it would've happened years ago).

To say the US didn't go in for any other reason other than control of black gold is ignorant. Your reason doesn't hold up to scrunity and no offense but quite laughable.

There is an agreement on when they'll leave US.  They signed the agreement right before the US elections took place.  The troops are all supposed to be out by 2012.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/3461368/British-and-US-troops-to-leave-Iraq-by-2011.html

 

That article doesn't prove your point at all. If anything it's vague and lacks specifics. Not surprising as it's dated 2008 when Bush was still in power. There is no way the US will withdraw completely, they never do unless comprehensively defeated on the political front  by way of mass protests etc (Vietnam) as militarily the're pretty much unstoppable (within reason).

There are actual later articles.  It was just the first one i could find.  There is an agreeement in place though.  If you don't want to believe it because of your own biases i cant help you.



Pharaoh on 01 November 2009

You can say whatever you want in the U.S., just as long as it isn't defamation, dangerous to the public(like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater(when there really isn't a fire). Freedom of Speech in our Bill of Rights in the Constitution, guarantees this so the public can never be silenced by a government. Although you can say whatever you want, if someone was to say something really controversial he/she is generally pressured to step down from their academic position.



Fact: Earthbound is the greatest game ever made

Kasz216 on 01 November 2009
Lostplanet22 said:
Kasz216 said:

I know of the older people that feel that way too Lostplanet.

The thing is... they're a minority compaired to the younger people that way... and a much bigger minority when it comes to their own generation. They're marginal comapired to the vast number of people afraid of a new Russian takeover.

Hell, i've worked for Chinese people who thought Mao ZeDong was a great guy. Claimed "Nobody ever went hungry."  (In truth... their were sevre famines under Mao ZeDongs reign.)

That is because of he got rid of the class system.

Before him China had still well field systems.

In theory it means you had a field with peasants and one Ruler. Didn't sound like a bad idea because the peasants had the possibility of an sure weekly/monthy income. It ended not that well because the Ruler had all the power and took the majority of the profit. He also could do anything with the peasants he wanted. * Take one of the peasants wives/daughter and marry her even if she didn't wanted. If the ruler didn't liked one he could threw him out or kill him.  If the peasants would start an uproar they will be slaught of the army of the province. In conclusion peasants were nothing more than slaves.

In that time as an peasant you shouldn't hope to live long the average persons didn't got older than 35.

When Mao Zedong got the power he got rid of the system and he made camps who liked as camps for well field systems where all intelligent/educated would be thrown in.  The only ones who could afford those study's were rulers so the peasants didn't saw that as a bad thing. Cause those rulers will now suffer like they did.

Mao zedong saved the lives of hundreds of millions who were known as simply peasants/farmers etc.

It is very hard to see Mao Zedong as an bad guy in the view of the peasants/farmers.

That is why you will find many who like(d) Zedong but that is changing the last years.

I mean their is a reason why Chinese who live not in China like Mao Zedong and see him as an hero.  


A good book how life was an peasant is the book red feast of Lulu Wang. 

The same could be said of Robert Mugabe.  People don't look at him so highly.

 



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Kasz216 on 01 November 2009
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
Samus Aran said:


I've only been to Hungary(of the east european countries) and you don't see anyone hating Americans there.

I think East European countries have more hate for Russia then because it's not like they had a choice or something. They had to join the USSR... Well except Yugoslavia(doesn't exist anymore today) because they were freed by Tito and not by the Russians, but Tito was a communist as well(although he hated Stalin) so it doesn't really matter.

Well mostly.  There are some people like Hunter who are too young to remember how bad things were then and are drawn to the general "glory" that the USSR had as a super power.

It's why countries like the Ukraine and Georgia can't get into the EU soon enough.  They see it as the only way to save themselves from Russia again.

 

You know absolutly nothing about me or my familys life during and after the fall of the Soviet Union, so please dont make snap judgments like that ok? The truth is that yes we did have a great life during the soviet era, but we wherent the only ones. Everybody who managed to fit in had a great one. bealieve it or not many things where far better during that time then what they are today.

 

Yes I might be a bit biased because of my family situation towards russia, but Im certain that no matter what, I would rather be part of a new eastern european economic union then being part of the UE, or its US mimicking rules/habbits/culture. I dont want to be part of that general stupidity and ignorance that consumes the western counties, and Im glad that I was raised as I was.

 

Why do you remember so well how terrible was the USSR KASZ ??? Seriously? Did you live here or all that you have heard was bull**** propaganda? You do know that all the horror stories where only a small part of the entire entity that was the Soviet Union, and most people some way or another actually had a decent and quality life. What was it major fault? That it tried to brainwash people? What country doesnt tries that till this day? Or that it killed innocent people for no reason? Well hello there second gulf war So no, the truth is that its easy to blame the soviet union for every evil act ever made, but people forget that except those few whom actually suffered, there are millions whom actually had a great, eventfull life. I for one would be able to do anything for another similar, and better union, and I do hope that one day it will happen, and the world will see the true face of the eastern european countries

 

For everybody whom is on the Russian/eastern bashing side, please, I dare you to come and spend a couple of weeks/months/years here, in Romania, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine or anywhere else, and I can guarantee that all that you will find is a far more friendlier world, rich culture, where things like happines and freedom may actually be more than a flat and a car, for which youl pay bills for years to come

Yeah, that's why the governments on the borders of russia are all so happy to go back... I'm sure if I came to the Ukraine they'd be real happy about going back to russia.  I mean who isn't a fan of man made famine?

I'll put it this way.  Part of my family is Ukranian by way of Armenia.  Makes me dislike genocidal acts a bit and justifications for such acts.

Also... your like... 19 how would you remember anything from then?  What fond memories when you were like.... 1?



Kasz216 on 01 November 2009

Also, one thing i think people are missing is that a lot of these people probably don't want to be called racist by typecasting middle eastern people as terrorists.



Badassbab on 01 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
Badassbab said:
Kasz216 said:
Badassbab said:
Kaz,

I haven't seen any agreement of when the US will leave Iraq, the Iraqis have for years been trying to get them to agree on withdrawal and the Iraqi public have been wanting it since day one. There are agreements on when the the US will withdraw a large proportion of their army but not completely (which is what the majority of the Iraqi and American people want and if democracy mattered it would've happened years ago).

To say the US didn't go in for any other reason other than control of black gold is ignorant. Your reason doesn't hold up to scrunity and no offense but quite laughable.

There is an agreement on when they'll leave US.  They signed the agreement right before the US elections took place.  The troops are all supposed to be out by 2012.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/3461368/British-and-US-troops-to-leave-Iraq-by-2011.html

 

That article doesn't prove your point at all. If anything it's vague and lacks specifics. Not surprising as it's dated 2008 when Bush was still in power. There is no way the US will withdraw completely, they never do unless comprehensively defeated on the political front  by way of mass protests etc (Vietnam) as militarily the're pretty much unstoppable (within reason).

There are actual later articles.  It was just the first one i could find.  There is an agreeement in place though.  If you don't want to believe it because of your own biases i cant help you.

There is no agreement in place that will mean the complete and utter withdrawal of the US military from Iraq. As far as I'm concerned that's a fact if you can prove otherwise I'd like to see it. Nothing bias on my part just stating facts. Has the US withdrawn from Germany? Japan? Korea? Iraq will be NO different.






Kasz216 on 01 November 2009
Badassbab said:
Kasz216 said:
Badassbab said:
Kasz216 said:
Badassbab said:
Kaz,

I haven't seen any agreement of when the US will leave Iraq, the Iraqis have for years been trying to get them to agree on withdrawal and the Iraqi public have been wanting it since day one. There are agreements on when the the US will withdraw a large proportion of their army but not completely (which is what the majority of the Iraqi and American people want and if democracy mattered it would've happened years ago).

To say the US didn't go in for any other reason other than control of black gold is ignorant. Your reason doesn't hold up to scrunity and no offense but quite laughable.

There is an agreement on when they'll leave US.  They signed the agreement right before the US elections took place.  The troops are all supposed to be out by 2012.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/3461368/British-and-US-troops-to-leave-Iraq-by-2011.html

 

That article doesn't prove your point at all. If anything it's vague and lacks specifics. Not surprising as it's dated 2008 when Bush was still in power. There is no way the US will withdraw completely, they never do unless comprehensively defeated on the political front  by way of mass protests etc (Vietnam) as militarily the're pretty much unstoppable (within reason).

There are actual later articles.  It was just the first one i could find.  There is an agreeement in place though.  If you don't want to believe it because of your own biases i cant help you.

There is no agreement in place that will mean the complete and utter withdrawal of the US military from Iraq. As far as I'm concerned that's a fact if you can prove otherwise I'd like to see it. Nothing bias on my part just stating facts. Has the US withdrawn from Germany? Japan? Korea? Iraq will be NO different.

I don't see how I can prove to you something is going to happen... when I show you the policy that states it's going to happen and you claim thats not the case.  Once again... this time aproved by US Congress.

I mean hell... we have an agreement passed by congress and a ban on establishing permanent bases?  What more do you want... a time machine to the future?

http://www.globalpolicy.org/home/168-general/48378-congress-affirms-iraq-withdrawal-date-of-december-31-2009.html

Also your choices are weird.  Since you are claiming we are going to "Control them for their oil."  Like we're controlling Germany?



Samus Aran on 01 November 2009


The power of the United states of America is in decline now anyway(compared to WWll and cold war), European union will gain in power in the future. It's already happening as we speak. And lets not forget China of course.