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Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
everdom said:
To the people saying that guns dont kill people, have a look at the homicide rate in the US compared to the rest of the developed world and tell me there isnt a massive issue there..

Who has said that?



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everdom on 26 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
Killergran said:

If I actually tried to kill someone with a rock from a distance greater than 3 meters, people would be more likely to laugh at me than run screaming. And if I would kill for a $60 videogame, imagine how obsessed I would be about my $20,000 car.

Except he wasn't 3 meters away. He wasn't 3 feet away. He was right next to the father.

@Johnsobas
Many of those items would be conviniently located. All the same, your argument falls into the "not a fair fight" category and that is not a good defense.

Ok im willing to bet you that if he didnt have a gun his son would still be alive, its not that other things cant kill, its that other implements arent designed specifically to shoot someone.



Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
everdom said:

Ok im willing to bet you that if he didnt have a gun his son would still be alive, its not that other things cant kill, its that other implements arent designed specifically to shoot someone.

Because knives were designed to fluff pillows?



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everdom on 26 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
everdom said:

Ok im willing to bet you that if he didnt have a gun his son would still be alive, its not that other things cant kill, its that other implements arent designed specifically to shoot someone.

Because knives were designed to fluff pillows?

I'm sorry but equating guns with knives it absolutely rediculous, people dont keep knives in their house to kill people that may burgle it, they keep it because theyre damn useful tools.



Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
everdom said:

I'm sorry but equating guns with knives it absolutely rediculous, people dont keep knives in their house to kill people that may burgle it, they keep it because theyre damn useful tools.

Who is equating knives with guns? How is the reason someone keeps a knife in their house relevant (I disagree by the by but that is off-topic). The man found time to make sure he had a gun and ammo when he went looking for his son. He wouldn't have stopped to grab a knife instead?



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scruffybunny on 26 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
scruffybunny said:
Well the kid would still be alive if pops didn't have a gun, sure he would belt him maybe, but that is unlikely to kill.

Because no other weapon would have been available to him? He couldn't have had a knife, pipe, rock, fist, car, or anything else and just gone nuts? Killing one person is not terribly difficult I am afraid. If he would reach for a gun something tells me the next logical choice in his mind would not be "non-lethal force."

You are right, he could have stabbed him to death otherwise, I get your point, he is an utter piece of shit.




everdom on 26 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
everdom said:

I'm sorry but equating guns with knives it absolutely rediculous, people dont keep knives in their house to kill people that may burgle it, they keep it because theyre damn useful tools.

Who is equating knives with guns? How is the reason someone keeps a knife in their house relevant (I disagree by the by but that is off-topic). The man found time to make sure he had a gun and ammo when he went looking for his son. He wouldn't have stopped to grab a knife instead?

He may very well have, but what is more deadly, a gun or a knife? i can tell you which id prefer a drunk man to be handling.



johnsobas on 26 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
Killergran said:

If I actually tried to kill someone with a rock from a distance greater than 3 meters, people would be more likely to laugh at me than run screaming. And if I would kill for a $60 videogame, imagine how obsessed I would be about my $20,000 car.

Except he wasn't 3 meters away. He wasn't 3 feet away. He was right next to the father.

Edit: He also valued his vengeance over his son's life. A child's life is valued far higher than a $4000 junker (see I can make up random prices too!)

@Johnsobas
Many of those items would be conviniently located. All the same, your argument falls into the "not a fair fight" category and that is not a good defense.

it's not about a fair fight, it's about a kid getting away with his life.  If the dad grabs a knife has got a chance to get away.  You can't get rid of things like knives that have many important uses.  Hand guns are used for killing, what other use do they have?  How do you want to stop the murder?  Get therapy for every drunk in town?  There's isn't an easy answer.



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Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
everdom said:

He may very well have, but what is more deadly, a gun or a knife? i can tell you which id prefer a drunk man to be handling.

Sober enough to aim, sober enough to fight. One or two good stab wounds is all it would take. Which you would prefer is not relevant to what would have spared this family the greatest tragedy imaginable.



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Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
johnsobas said:

it's not about a fair fight, it's about a kid getting away with his life.  If the dad grabs a knife has got a chance to get away.  You can't get rid of things like knives that have many important uses.  Hand guns are used for killing, what other use do they have?  How do you want to stop the murder?  Get therapy for every drunk in town?  There's isn't an easy answer.

I don't think we can. We mourn for the mother, and the friends. We don't try to twist it to fit some political agenda it doesn't belong in.



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