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Holding the patent of natal camera will be a true advantage for MS in the next generation(2013). Natal will struggle as a 360 add-on, but will pave the way for the a great next generation since most likely the camera will be compatible onwards.

The Ps3 wand tech demo showed at E3 seemed better, more fun and versatile than Natal atm. The preciseness and responsiveness were unprecedented.
But even I a ps3 fan know Natal technology is superior, not really amazed by any actual game, demos showed, since all were awful. But the simple potential it has and accessibility it offer makes for a bright future.

The ps3 still WAY WAY better than 360, and will continues better than 360 natal.

But when ps4 Vs 720 wars starts natal technology will really shine, especially the hybrid control (camera+ controller) some games will start doing after failed attempts on only motion free-hand gameplay.



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damndl0ser said:
MikeB said:
stika said:
MikeB said:
@ themanwithnoname

Here you are:

http://news.spong.com/article/18155/Lionheads-Project-Natal-Video-Fakery

http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/06/07/exposed-natel-milo-smoke-and-mirrors-by-peter-molyneux/

I take your two no-named websites milo negative previews and raise you two positive IGN and eurogamer previews

I wasn't saying the fake was a bad fake. Note that at VGChartz my initial repsonse was very positive towards Natal.

But IMO they should have waited until they had something real to show. Now it just looked like they wanted to attract interest towards something which still had very little basis. Not good for real existing innovations which get fewer attention at the show.

A quick question for you, were you bashing Sony for doing the exact same thing with its PS3?  I remember the year the 360 was launched Sony was spewing so much fake shit it wasn't funny.  Trying to get people to just wait for their super computer PS3 most awesome c3ll tech invention of all time.  Sigh....

 

Some how I don't think you were.

Yes, I have to some extend. For example I thought Sony execs didn't clarify enough or accurately tell what they were showing exactly with the early target game trailers. But IMO by far nothing as severe as the fake Milo presentation, if someone at Sony would have picked a controller and pretended to be playing the CGI target videos, then that would have been on a similar level. Understand?



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Ausfalcon said:
MikeB said:

I think if Microsoft would be an Iranian company, the company would have received a lot more bashing for its wrongdoings. IMO Microsoft has been handled very mildly considering events. I don't think Sony or any other Japanese company would have been able to bypass RROD or antitrust issues like Microsoft was able to.

American car companies usually get more bad press in America than their Korean or Japanese counterparts.  Similarly I've never seen anything to suggest that the American and UK press cut Microsoft a break because they are American.  Yet you keep insisting that their is a US/UK press conspiracy against Sony and in favor of Microsoft.  You've previously never justified why in the past, now you imply its for some patriotic reason.  Meanwhile US press on the Walkman, Trinitron technology, the PS2 etc never got accused of being purposefully slanted like you say coverage is now.  The reality is that you just can't agree with any views on the PS3 that are not your own.

With the antitrust case proceedings under former president Bill Clinton for instance it looked afterwards like Microsoft got a get out of jail for free card under fromer President Bush. Of course Microsoft heavily funded Bush' campaign, which in most democratic countries would be illegal.

It's not just that Microsoft is a US company, the bulk of companies which testified against Microsoft's monopoly abuse were American. But I think if most of them were European there wouldn't even have been investigations in the United States in the first place.



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Ah, MikeB..I forgot to add you to my list, you are my all time favourite poster, I can ALWAYS look at you when I want an unbiased answer to a question, or an unbiased review.

On a side note, how can you say MILO was fake, did you honestly think it was true AI? We are decades if not millennia away from that. Milo was very real, and does what it is supposed to, it does it so well that it fools people into believing Milo is real AI...I laugh at your silly attempts to discredit this, they are nothing more than a smokescreen for your obvious bias.



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That video makes it look just like the Eyetoy.

I hope I'm wrong, but I predict a massive failure for Natal.



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ironman said:
Ah, MikeB..I forgot to add you to my list, you are my all time favourite poster, I can ALWAYS look at you when I want an unbiased answer to a question, or an unbiased review.

On a side note, how can you say MILO was fake, did you honestly think it was true AI? We are decades if not millennia away from that. Milo was very real, and does what it is supposed to, it does it so well that it fools people into believing Milo is real AI...I laugh at your silly attempts to discredit this, they are nothing more than a smokescreen for your obvious bias.

Why not? Microsoft has a lot of money. In the pre-70s or even later when you would watch movies imagining the year 2000 some thought we would be flying in our own spacecrafts. Reality however is that we still live in a time when we command Windows to do something our mouse pointer often freezes and we can't do anything else, unlike was the case in the 80s when certain operating systems always provided immediate user feedback when clicking buttons and such.

IMO what was shown with the Milo presentation was by no means beyond imagination and with a dedicated talented team can be made reality.

The video shown by Peter Molyneux of the Milo demo was presented to indicate that the Natal project was capable of advanced AI and voice recognition, but:

"Spike's VP of Content  and editor-in-chief of Gamestrailers, Shane Satterfield, indicated recently along with his peers that there was a bit of deception with Milo behind the scenes after demoing it. He stated that the select few to demo Milo live behind closed doors were instructed by Microsoft to follow exactly what was shown in the video. Satterfield also stated that there definitely is someone “controlling” (influencing) Milo behind the scenes."

"Satterfield also revealed that the assumed voice recognition shown in the demonstration video for Milo was a little misleading. He indicates that Peter Molyneux told him that Milo does not actually recognize the player’s voice but reacts to the tone of your voice. He also further explains that Milo says rudimentary open ended statements that will fit into whatever you say."

Other comments from journalists say it was all acted. I rather watch the good old ET movie, it includes much better acting performances. Understand?

 



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N.Genckel said:
That video makes it look just like the Eyetoy.

I hope I'm wrong, but I predict a massive failure for Natal.

Ah, the common misconception. The eyetoy never had a dedicated processor, nor did it have facial/voice recognition software, and lastly, it was not able to track in 3D (which incidentally improves accuracy)



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sirvice said:
From what i have seen, its just an improved eyetoy clone.
From what i have heard, it could change the way of gaming itself.

Probably something with potential....

well the eye toy was an improved clone of the dream eye for the dreamcast and the gameboy camera for the gameboy, that's just how it goes



Darth Tigris said:
huaxiong90 said:
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huaxiong90 said:
welshbloke said:
I would not say that the VGC Community consider Natal will fail, it just appears that way due to the large numbers of PS3 supporters and possibly Wii although it does always seem to be PS3 supporters for the most part.

No amount of positive FM3 or Natal press or reviews will prevent them picking out one tiny negative commment, peddling it, exagerating it and ultimately misrepresenting it.

It is unfortunate but every positive Microsoft based thread is matched with an unequal and opposite reaction. That is the science of VGC.

The same could be said about 360 or Wii fanboys who attack PS3 threads.

The difference being there are more PS3 supporters here than there are 360 or wii ones.  Not to mention the hate seems to be mainly focused on Natal and Forza 3.  I don't know if its because it scares a lot of them or what.

I agree with you about Natal, I don't understand the reasons behind the hate either.

 

However, I disagree with you about Forza 3. The reason why PS3 fan(boy)s are hating on Forza 3 is because Turn 10 are being far too cocky about their game and always talking down GT. I personally don't have anything against this, it's only a form of business, but not many people care to look at it from a business perspective, but rather subjectively, so I can't say I blame them. Plus, I see 360 fanboys saying things like "Forza 3>>>>>>GT5" and the sort when the 2 games haven't been released yet, so that only adds to the flames.

Turn 10 came out saying it is the definitive racing game of this generation.  And, from the review scores so far, it has lived up to that.  Was it cockiness or confidence?  The proof is in the results.  When GT5 comes out nearly 6 months later, it'll have an opportunity to prove Turn 10 right or wrong.

As for the PS3 fan(boy)s, to have the 360 come out with a game that is claiming to be better than one of the Playstation pillars is just something that they can't handle, be it true or not.  I think that has more to do with the FM3 hate than Turn 10's statements.

Doesn't matter, them talking down GT will definitely get to some (if not many) nerves (like I said, I'm ok with this, it's business, but not many people can see it that way). So yes, they are being far too cocky, the results will only show when GT5 releases. It has EVERYTHING to do with Turn 10's statements, not just about Forza 3 itself.

 

The same could be said about 360 fan(boy)s who are too sensitive about Halo.



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huaxiong90 said:
Darth Tigris said:
huaxiong90 said:
damndl0ser said:
huaxiong90 said:
welshbloke said:
I would not say that the VGC Community consider Natal will fail, it just appears that way due to the large numbers of PS3 supporters and possibly Wii although it does always seem to be PS3 supporters for the most part.

No amount of positive FM3 or Natal press or reviews will prevent them picking out one tiny negative commment, peddling it, exagerating it and ultimately misrepresenting it.

It is unfortunate but every positive Microsoft based thread is matched with an unequal and opposite reaction. That is the science of VGC.

The same could be said about 360 or Wii fanboys who attack PS3 threads.

The difference being there are more PS3 supporters here than there are 360 or wii ones.  Not to mention the hate seems to be mainly focused on Natal and Forza 3.  I don't know if its because it scares a lot of them or what.

I agree with you about Natal, I don't understand the reasons behind the hate either.

 

However, I disagree with you about Forza 3. The reason why PS3 fan(boy)s are hating on Forza 3 is because Turn 10 are being far too cocky about their game and always talking down GT. I personally don't have anything against this, it's only a form of business, but not many people care to look at it from a business perspective, but rather subjectively, so I can't say I blame them. Plus, I see 360 fanboys saying things like "Forza 3>>>>>>GT5" and the sort when the 2 games haven't been released yet, so that only adds to the flames.

Turn 10 came out saying it is the definitive racing game of this generation.  And, from the review scores so far, it has lived up to that.  Was it cockiness or confidence?  The proof is in the results.  When GT5 comes out nearly 6 months later, it'll have an opportunity to prove Turn 10 right or wrong.

As for the PS3 fan(boy)s, to have the 360 come out with a game that is claiming to be better than one of the Playstation pillars is just something that they can't handle, be it true or not.  I think that has more to do with the FM3 hate than Turn 10's statements.

Doesn't matter, them talking down GT will definitely get to some (if not many) nerves (like I said, I'm ok with this, it's business, but not many people can see it that way). So yes, they are being far too cocky, the results will only show when GT5 releases. It has EVERYTHING to do with Turn 10's statements, not just about Forza 3.

 

The same could be said about 360 fan(boy)s who are too sensitive about Halo.


Well, actually, I found that to be a brilliant piece of marketing. Talking down turn PD was bound to start wars in the forums, wars where every little detail of the game would be hashed, and rehashed. This would in turn create more awareness for the game...Like butter in turn 10s hands...

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