As posted above, Sigma is a 720 line game.  What I find interesting is that you say it's "really shitty scaling" yet all the 360 games that use scaling I assume you think are perfectly fine?  I have to tell you, I played Perfect Dark at  friend's house (supposedly at 720p but according to above, they rendered at 640 and upscaled as alot of the 360 games do it seems) and it looked like utter crap.  Sigma was leaps and bounds better.

 Also, as an owner of a 52" TV, 1080p is definately better looking.

Wow, that was truly the most insightful post I've ever read. The way you guessed his desires from just reading a single line of his online prose was absolutely fantastic!

Show them how it's done, O' wise one.

The term investment is not only used in the monetary context. He was reffering to time invested into a gaming console, which is a perfectly valid statment.

 As you have mentioned, the PS2 is currently in it's 6th year which fell into his modest range of 6-8 years, so I'm not entirely sure why you are ripping him on this =/

  "I always knew that with time and effort they would use it's hardware to the max" Of course we know that, but we are never sure of what that limit actually is untill we actually see it (Well I can't anyway... I'm not so intimately familiar with the systems hardware and it's limitations). GoW2's visuals, to me,  were a surprise and were absolutely stunning at the time. Other games may have looked better on the cube or Xbox, but regardless, it was still surprising to see this coming from the PS2.

Summarizing the truths around here:
- 1080p is 1080 lines or vertical resolution, 720p is 720 lines or vertical resolution. Then, you can have any horizontal resolution you want. Usually, for movies, it's 1920x1080 because that's a 16/9 ratio, and 1280x720 for the lower HD resolution, for the same reason. But 960x1080 is still 1080p. The human eye is more sensitive to vertical resolution, which is why we use the vertical resolution to describe the standards, not the horizontal one. Stretching the horizontal resolution is no big deal actually, even if x2 should be the limit, but the eye won't notice it as much as if it was the vertical resolution.
- 1080p is immediately noticeable as far better than 720p on sets 40" and higher (at the right distance range, of course). Only delusional people say otherwise.
- The difference between 30 fps and 60 fps is not noticeable by the human eye, except by very gifted or trained people perhaps. The eye is fooled as soon as 24 fps actually. The brain notice going from 30 fps to 60 fps, when you have to interact with what you see. In this case, the brain clearly sees the lag between the action taken and what happens on the screen, and is disturbed. At 60 fps, the brain won't notice the lag, except with very gifted people.

I do not believe that the human eye can see differences over 30fps. Yet the suggested fps is mere a mean value, a game running at 30fps will produce something in between 15 and 45 fps and the part that goes under 25fps is indeed noticable.

With a game running at 60fps you may suspect that in 99% of the cases the framerate will be above 24fps. 

Also dont forget that the GPU of the PS3 is almost identical to the GPU that you can find in the XBox. So it isn't surprising that we have similar looking games since the Cell is the only difference and is currently preforming lower to equal to the XBOX cpu.
And in theory the XBOX and PS3both have far too less memory to have 1080p games, as someonesaid. Modern PC games require 1GB main memory and some games already 512MB video memory. So the possibilities are limited.

Yeah, PDZ looks great... oh shit, I never said that.

Sigma does really screwy scaling that makes things look really blurry (not a problem most PS3 and 360 games that are scaling have) Just look at the B3D thread, I think someone posted comparison screens where 720p looks noticibly better than 1080p on their set.

The general concensus seems to be that 1080p with Sigma is all around bad, so I'll take that over your experience.

I'm not sure about this but the 24 fps eye limit thing may be misleading. Even being true, it doesn't mean that you won't notice the difference when video goes above 24 fps, due to synchronization issues I suspect. The game's fps may not be synchronized with the brain's image processing.

Note - the above is just a guess, I'm not an expert in such stuff and I'm not in the mood to research it right now :)

My 2c without reading the thread - there is not that much difference between 720P and 1080P in games at the moment anyway.

The difference comes from 720 - 480.

> The Darkness - 1080p/60FPS

Lots of silly 60fps claims here. I found this one the most silly. The Darkness run at 30hz (unless where it drops) with upscaling from 1024x576.

Don't confuse 1080p output capability with actual rendering resolution.

This thread and title should had have the word troll in it.

@krik
at least you know what you are talking about