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czecherychestnut said:
Kasz216 said:
sharky974 said:
Well, whats your budget? What CPU is your PC? How much did it cost (cost will give me an idea of it's general specs)? RAM?

An exact model number on the computer you bought would be even better, so I can look it up online.

Mainly need to know your exact budget though. If you can spend a hundred ATI 4850 sounds right up your alley. I'd just worry if you power supply can handle any of these cards.

Also, what is your monitors native resolution?

If you can afford 80-90, a 9600GT is a nice choice. Also will go easy on your power supply.

All these prices I'm mentioning are via newegg btw.

Right now there is a Asus 9600 GSO on newegg for 59.99, with a $20 rebate too boot. That would be by far your best cheap choice if your power supply can handle it. It's pretty fast.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792522%201067939752&name=GeForce%209600%20GSO

Computer and full specs are here.

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-p6110f/4507-3118_7-33705115.html?tag=mncol;psum

As for the monitors native resolution and such... I don't know really... it's from my old computer.

Don't care so much about it looking nice so much as playing nice. I'm the kind of guy that cranks down the graphics on everything to minimium just to get the best performance.

Not a bad machine, proc is pretty good as you said. Either mine or Sharky's suggestion will work, although the 4650 is more modern, higher performing and uses less power. But if you have a preference for nvidia, then it'll work, and both will cream what you have currently got, which is what matters here.

Honestly if anything i have a irational dislike of Nvidia.

So i'll probably go with your advice. 


Thanks by the way, and to everyone else in the thread.

 



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Yeah, 4850 is the best option here. The 9600GT is cheaper but roughly a quarter as fast.



The 9600 GSO will be almost twice as fast as the 4650 according to this review, http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_4650_iSilence/6.html

But you dont seem to care much about speed, plus I'm betting the 9800 uses more power, which is a concern with your power supply.

Either is a good choice but if you get the 4850 pay more like $50 for it like this one


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829&ATT=14-102-829&CMP=AFC-C8Junction

Myself I'd go with the GSO, but you cant go wrong.



sharky974 said:
The 9600 GSO will be almost twice as fast as the 4650 according to this review, http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_4650_iSilence/6.html

But you dont seem to care much about speed, plus I'm betting the 9800 uses more power, which is a concern with your power supply.

Either is a good choice but if you get the 4850 pay more like $50 for it like this one


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829&ATT=14-102-829&CMP=AFC-C8Junction

Myself I'd go with the GSO, but you cant go wrong.

There is a diffrence between this 4650 and the other one?

This is the kinda stuff that confuses me.



Get radeon 4670 or gf 9600gt.
Also watch out with buying 9600gso the variants with 392/768MB of ram are good ones, the ones with 512mb or 1024 are POS.



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All the suggestion about ~$100 Radeons are fine, I'd add that you should be pleasantly surprised whatever good card you buy, as Intel onboard graphics are by far the worse in the universe, even my old ultracheap Radeon 9250 card managed to beat most of them, my notebook integrated graphics (X1250 included in 690 chipset) beats all of them, and my current onboard Radeon HD3300 (part of 790GX chipset) is several times faster than it. All the cards suggested to you are several times faster than my latest and best, that's already perfect for most games more than 3-4yrs old and enough for some less demanding newer ones, go figure.
Here you can find a GPU approximate comparison chart:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2404-7.html



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Kasz216 said:
sharky974 said:
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This is the kinda stuff that confuses me.

I would say the 4850 is the sweet spot in this case. Roughly $100, go $20 lower and performance halves but you have to go $150 higher for performance to double. If you look on that Tom's Hardware chart linked above, even the best Intel chip is 6 years out of date so honestly anything you get will be an improvement. 4850 will be maybe 20x faster than your current card.

If you're constrained for price, then the HD 4670. It's cheaper and similarly performing to the 9600 GSO mentioned while using much less power than the 9600GT above it.



Kasz216 said:
sharky974 said:
The 9600 GSO will be almost twice as fast as the 4650 according to this review, http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_4650_iSilence/6.html

But you dont seem to care much about speed, plus I'm betting the 9800 uses more power, which is a concern with your power supply.

Either is a good choice but if you get the 4850 pay more like $50 for it like this one


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829&ATT=14-102-829&CMP=AFC-C8Junction

Myself I'd go with the GSO, but you cant go wrong.

There is a diffrence between this 4650 and the other one?

This is the kinda stuff that confuses me.

The other one had 1Gb RAM, my linked has 512. But on a card this low end theres no need for 1GB RAM, so I'd save the 12 bucks.

 

And I retract my recommendation of the GSO, it requires a 6 pin power connecter and you're definitely not gonna wanna mess with that, too much power draw..the 4650 will just plug into your graphics slot and thats it.



Soleron said:
Kasz216 said:
sharky974 said:
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There is a diffrence between this 4650 and the other one?

This is the kinda stuff that confuses me.

Look again, he said 4850 and 4650.

I would say the 4850 is the sweet spot in this case. Roughly $100, go $20 lower and performance halves but you have to go $150 higher for performance to double. If you look on that Tom's Hardware chart linked above, even the best Intel chip is 6 years out of date so honestly anything you get will be an improvement. 4850 will be maybe 20x faster than your current card.

If you're constrained for price, then the HD 4670. It's cheaper and similarly performing to the 9600 GSO mentioned while using much less power than the 9600GT above it.

Oh yeah, the Intel chip is worse then the chip in my last computer.  Which I found hilarious but just a bi-product of buying an "Office" computer.  Which didn't bother me since i was planning on replacing it anyway.  Figured it was better to get that "extra" stuff in other areas for the same price since the chip was going to be gone anyway... since all the computers in stores seem to have intergrated chips and i've yet to see one that wasn't shit.



sharky974 said:
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The other one had 1Gb RAM, my linked has 512. But on a card this low end theres no need for 1GB RAM, so I'd save the 12 bucks.

If you're looking for a given card name (e.g. 4650), pay no attention to branding or price differences. They're all the same card really, and any good store has an RMA policy if it fails and then you can switch brands. So go for the cheapest. The execption to this is really high overclocks (>10%). A 10% OC can justify a few dollars price increase if you need the extra performance.

As a rule of thumb on VRAM:

4870, 4890, 4850 X2, 4870 X2, 58xx, GTX2xx - benefits from by 5-10% 1GB on high resolutions >=1920x1200
All other cards - use 512MB