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SamuelRSmith said:
SciFiBoy said:
SamuelRSmith said:

1 - It's just the way things have been trending since Thatcher. You're studying politics, now, right? You'll probably cover it when discussing the concept of "presidential-prime minister"

2 - What what?

3 - Where did I say anything about that? But I don't see how a live feed of pre-approved questions could suffer from much bias, especially as their being conducted by three broadcasters that are different on bias.

1&2 - I meant why should the system change and how should it change

3 - er, from what ive seen of ITV, SKY and BBC's news coverage, they all talk about the Conservatives being the winners already, they also all criticise Brown heavily and dismiss Clegg as a non-entity, to me, they all seem to have the same views on the leaders, I also find it hard to believe the media would change there views even if Cameron was humiliated

The system should change because the way the people vote has changed: we need a directly elected PM/President.

Say what you want about BSkyB, but ITN and BBC tend to look at things objectively, and what they see are opinion polls screaming about a massive Conservative victory, and so they report it as such. Even most of the Labour party think that it's over, and Mandy/Darling have made statements which essentially show them as giving up - are you going to accuse these people of a Conservative bias, also?

when the BBC and ITV start scrutinising and giving flack where its due to Cameron and The Conservatives, then ill stop accusing them of bias, all I see at the moment, is "lets attack Labour and mock the Lib Dems" no wonder Cameron is so quiet, the media is doing his job for him

do you work for the BBC or something? I pay my liscence fee and I like the network in general, but surely even you can see that some of there so called objective reporting gives the Conservative's an easy ride?

okay, that sounds interesting, do you mean like giving the PM the powers the queen has now then and making him an electable head of state seperate to the party's we elect to the commons?



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No, I don't work for the BBC, and I don't pay a license fee, or whatever. I just don't see it, they don't give anyone "an easy ride" as far as I can see, they seem to give both parties fine coverage, I think you're making something out of nothing.

The PM has too much power as it is, move the royal prerogative to Parliament, give the Lords more power, and then make it so that the leader has to be elected separately from Parliament, to stop situations that we have like now, where people feel that they're being done out of an elected leader.



kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

Very naive statment there. Why would the media criticize Cameron, he isnt in power. This is how it always is. whe the tories were in government they got constant (and far worse) abuse than anything you have seen in your lifetime against Labour. You have to remember that the BBC is essentially a centre left organisation.

Oppositions dont win elections... governments lose them... its how it has always been.


its not niave because the media are saying he has already won...surely if the media is so sure he's gonna win then they should have a go, as they think he soon will be in power?

not to mention that the public have a right to know what theyre voting for, especially if its stupid, most people dont read manifesto's, if the media is just attacking the other two parties, in what way does that give the average voter a well informed view of who to vote for?

if the BBC is centre left then it would attack Cameron though, the Conservatives are Centre Right?





SamuelRSmith said:
No, I don't work for the BBC, and I don't pay a license fee, or whatever. I just don't see it, they don't give anyone "an easy ride" as far as I can see, they seem to give both parties fine coverage, I think you're making something out of nothing.

The PM has too much power as it is, move the royal prerogative to Parliament, give the Lords more power, and then make it so that the leader has to be elected separately from Parliament, to stop situations that we have like now, where people feel that they're being done out of an elected leader.

youre kidding right? (either that or your a Cameron fan)

I barely ever see any mention of Conservative policies on the BBC, nor do I hear even a small hint of criticism of Cameron, heck if you voted based of BBC coverage, you'd think Cameron was some sort of perfect being who's party has no policys other than ones the BBC likes

the rest sounds okay, im entirely sure what you would gain by electing the PM seperatley though



Me? A Cameron fan?

Never thought I'd see the day where I, ME, would be accused of being a Tory.

By electing the PM separately you gain a lot in terms of having a mandate, particularly when the electorate looks at the PM as being the Government.



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kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

manifesto time isnt here yet.. when it is they will have a go at him im sure. The tories wont make the same mistake of releasing their manifesto before Labour again... well I hope they dont anyway. Not that the Labour party EVER stick to theor manifesto.

whne the tories get into power, as they surely will.. you watch how the bbc treat the tories... you watch.... you have never experienced it.

I should hope your right, I cant stand the Tories, but I would hope the BBC always lambast stupid policy's and mistakes that any politician makes, not just the ones that are in power (technically Cameron is in a position of power, he's an MP and leader of the opposition)



SamuelRSmith said:
Me? A Cameron fan?

Never thought I'd see the day where I, ME, would be accused of being a Tory.

By electing the PM separately you gain a lot in terms of having a mandate, particularly when the electorate looks at the PM as being the Government.

well, the bias seems fairly obvious to me, and my bias is against the Conservatives AND Labour

okay, that sounds interesting



kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

which part of opposition parrty dont you get? it isnt the oppositions place to have policies until an election is due. they are there to measure and check the government.


you really are insane if you think the bbc are pro tory.

@ bolded - not what im saying, im saying there less anti them than the other two parties, I have no problem with them having a go at Labour (as i hate labour)

@ italics - I know that, im saying that IF the BBC is SO convinced that they will win the next election, surely they SHOULD have a go at them more?



kowenicki said:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=bbc+labour+bias&meta=

have a mooch

in order to show that im willing to listen to you, i clicked the 1st link, from the Telegraph (known for Tory bias)

"single policy issues like climate change and poverty"

Climate Change i get as there is still much debate on that, and if there are others, good there getting rid of bias...Poverty? im assuming they mean how much aid we send/give? surely no-one is denying poverty exists?

then, its fairly specific one off events they mention on there, things in all fairness that I didnt follow closely, Live 8 i had 0 interest in for instance, also, the Conservatives (nor any other majour party) arent opposed to the NHS, so why that is mentioned seems to be little more than extreme right drivel, "make poverty history"? that was a Labour idea? i thought it was a charity?

it may also explain why there is a more lenient Tory bias on there now and a more harsh Labour one (the report is dated 2007), perhaps the BBC has over compensated for its findings?



kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

still wrong.. they are more anti tory than ANY of the main parties.

show me some proof of this, I use the BBC news site every day, it rarely comes up with "tory policy" and then inside "mr.something argues this is a bad idea though" or "mr.something else thinks this wont work because"