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Onyxmeth said:
MAFKKA said:
Onyxmeth said:
Procrastinato said:
^^ I'm with MAFKKA on this one.

What is it that's so upsetting about the fact that a PSP model you don't own, as a current PSP owner, that upsets you guys so much that you whine about a model made for new PSP customers?

Are you so determined to own multiple PSPs? Do you think the average joe is as desperate to upgrade as you, a poster on VGChartz, are? Are you upset that the form factor of the Go, and the ease of not having to carry UMDs around with you will cost you not only a new handheld, but also doesn't include... what? A library of games you've purchased but... have never played? You got a stash of unplayed UMDs you're upset won't get freebie upgrades from a company which doesn't even own the rights to give you such a thing, on the vast majority of games you likely own?

You must not be aware of the power of upgrading a console to a new model. It isn't just VGChartz. It's everywhere. I wonder would the PS2 Slim and PS3 Slim have been better off getting rid of the drives and become DD only? It sure would attract the new customers, however big that market is, but it would alienate everyone that did upgrade to those slim consoles just for the new look.

It's also a detriment to gamers. As UMDs go down in price and get clearanced out, PSP owners have their choice of pricing the market on both fronts and grabbing UMDs on the cheap. If you think the DD market is going to follow suit, you're foolish. Really the only thing the PSP Go gamer gets is the compact handheld, but they lose out on every other conceivable front and are paying more money to do so.

So what are we arguing about? Why the big deal of not being able to upgrade and receive free games doing so? If you own a PSP why would you want another PSP that will by your estimates will have a poor DD market, and an inferior experience due to lack of other conceivable aspects? Which brings me back to my point of this product being for New gamers.

It's not that big a deal to me personally. I don't have any personal stake in the matter. I just find it foolish of Sony to charge $80 more for a handheld that is going to offer less, while alienating their current userbase from upgrading. Offering a console only worthwhile to new customers is basically starting over from scratch, while not having the benefit of the former owners of your last machine to come along with you.

What we're arguing about essentially is that Sony could have done so much more with this handheld and has chosen not to. If this was done with the PS3 Slim, it would essentially be a Slim half the size of the current slim, with no BluRay drive, and a $400 price tag. With such a large price, you're essentially asking for early adopters to come back on board again, and most early adopters already own a PSP. If you alienate them for this new customer, then I ask why hasn't this new customer already purchased a PSP at $169? What are they being offered now they weren't offered before to justify a $250 price tag. Frankly I see Sony having priced themselves out of the market they are trying to reach, by pricing themselves to early adopters.

Well yeah i see what you are saying and i agree fully. But we're arguing two different things. I just argued over the topic, UMD to PSP Go conversions, while you went for the entire concept of PSP Go :D But yeah, i agree. They should've done more to differentiate the Go from PSP 3000, so that the new features would up whey the loss of UMD, to make it a more upgrade friendly experience.

But i still stand by the fact that i dont think they are obligated atm, with what the product is today, to give away free games just so that people can upgrade to newer hardware.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:

The inherant flaw with DD is your purchase has no equity.

That doesn't have to be a problem. It just means that DD games have to be cheaper than retail games.

In the end, no matter whether you resell a game or not, you paid a price for it (if you resold it, it's the difference between the price you bought and the price you sold it for). If a DD game is sold at this price, DD wins since you get to keep the game.

 



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I never wanted a conversion method.

Simply entering a gaming store and trading your UMD copy for a download voucher of the exact same game is enough for me. Seems to me like the most straightforward and hassle free method.



yeah please only buy the 3000...if Sony sees that the Go wont work out they will maybe do a GO with UMD what would be a first day buy for me!



Onyxmeth said:

Your second paragraph describes the happy medium between the iTouch and the PSP, known as the DS, and yes I agree that's what people want, which is why the DS is the market leader. It doesn't describe the Go at all.

 

 

How exactly do you come up with the DS? We have a device that is primarily a media player that can also play games and a device that is primarily a gaming machine that can play media and the happy medium between them is a device that has a touchscreen like the first device and plays games like the second but is severely limited in media playback?



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MAFKKA said:

Well yeah i see what you are saying and i agree fully. But we're arguing two different things. I just argued over the topic, UMD to PSP Go conversions, while you went for the entire concept of PSP Go :D But yeah, i agree. They should've done more to differentiate the Go from PSP 3000, so that the new features would up whey the loss of UMD, to make it a more upgrade friendly experience.

But i still stand by the fact that i dont think they are obligated atm, with what the product is today, to give away free games just so that people can upgrade to newer hardware.

No I'm just progressing the conversion argument to why it matters so much in the big picture. I fully agree Sony isn't obligated to do it, and I never meant to imply they were. I just think it was foolish of them to not do it, especially after hinting about it in the past that it was on the table. It will hurt the viability of the Go because it's high price won't appeal to new adopters any longer, since 50 million PSP owners likely take up a majority of the early adopter base for the handheld. Some will still come on board, but it could have been so much bigger.



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K_Beckman said:
Onyxmeth said:

Your second paragraph describes the happy medium between the iTouch and the PSP, known as the DS, and yes I agree that's what people want, which is why the DS is the market leader. It doesn't describe the Go at all.

 

 

How exactly do you come up with the DS? We have a device that is primarily a media player that can also play games and a device that is primarily a gaming machine that can play media and the happy medium between them is a device that has a touchscreen like the first device and plays games like the second but is severely limited in media playback?

The person I was responding to never spoke of media functionality in the paragraph I was answering. He spoke only of the gaming attributes of the Touch and Go. That is why I chimed in on the DS. However, with the DSi now having rudimentary media playback, a camera and an app store of it's own, I'd say it's in exactly the same early stages of this medium as the PSP is. Neither does media playback particularly well, and with their sloppy interfaces and lack of standard conversion programs, they're both akin to a $50 MP3 player in what you're getting as a consumer, which isn't much.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
ssj12 said:

That not true, I just bought a puzzle game on Steam for $9 that makes most puzzle games on consoles and handhelds look like crap. (I'll review it eventually for the site)

The reason why PC gaming is so "expensive" is because you need to upgrade every few years, but this really isn't a massive flaw because with new hardware comes more useability for everything. With consoles you can upgrade every few years and get an virtually unchanging environment which can cost as much as a simple upgrade for a PC that will make it last another few years.

Plus console games are freaking expensive with no real ability to expand the playtime without having to pay out an arm or leg for additional content..

Not if you rent them.

but we aren't talking rentals, we are talking owning and buying new games since you can't exactly trade in a rented game to gamestop (you could but have fun with paying whatever company you rented their game frim for the game)



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Onyxmeth said:
K_Beckman said:
Onyxmeth said:

Your second paragraph describes the happy medium between the iTouch and the PSP, known as the DS, and yes I agree that's what people want, which is why the DS is the market leader. It doesn't describe the Go at all.

 

 

How exactly do you come up with the DS? We have a device that is primarily a media player that can also play games and a device that is primarily a gaming machine that can play media and the happy medium between them is a device that has a touchscreen like the first device and plays games like the second but is severely limited in media playback?

The person I was responding to never spoke of media functionality in the paragraph I was answering. He spoke only of the gaming attributes of the Touch and Go. That is why I chimed in on the DS. However, with the DSi now having rudimentary media playback, a camera and an app store of it's own, I'd say it's in exactly the same early stages of this medium as the PSP is. Neither does media playback particularly well, and with their sloppy interfaces and lack of standard conversion programs, they're both akin to a $50 MP3 player in what you're getting as a consumer, which isn't much.

You missed the iPod and Zune as MP3 players as they both have horrid interfaces with lack of a standard conversion program. Itunes sucks and you know it. It cannot convert half the good codexs in its crappy mp3 DRM laced trash.



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