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Onyxmeth said:

There is the difference. Sony gives you an optional free download they link you to in a book a good portion of the userbase won't bother to read. Instead it should be mandatory to use to act as a middleman for your files, eliminating a thousand knock off programs from existing, and should directly add files through syncing the way iTunes and the Zune store do. The same goes for the DS.

If they want to be successful media players along with being successful gaming machines, they need to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Did you know that the Media Go program is included on a disc that comes in the PSP Go box?

I watched a guy unbox a retail one at PAX.  I think that addresses the issue here.



 

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Procrastinato said:
Onyxmeth said:

There is the difference. Sony gives you an optional free download they link you to in a book a good portion of the userbase won't bother to read. Instead it should be mandatory to use to act as a middleman for your files, eliminating a thousand knock off programs from existing, and should directly add files through syncing the way iTunes and the Zune store do. The same goes for the DS.

If they want to be successful media players along with being successful gaming machines, they need to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Did you know that the Media Go program is included on a disc that comes in the PSP Go box?

I watched a guy unbox a retail one at PAX.  I think that addresses the issue here.

Thanks for the info. It addresses most of the issue. I'd still like it to be mandatory, but that's merely splitting hairs if they're willing to nudge you in the right direction with a disc. What about the syncing part?



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Onyxmeth said:
ssj12 said:
Onyxmeth said:
 

What are you talking about? The standard program of the iPod is iTunes and the standard program of the Zune is just called the Zune store I guess. They are what you use to sync your device, make your playlists, convert your files, and generally organize your files and shit. While I agree iTunes is horrid program, I actually think the Zune store is the benchmark all other programs should strive to be. It auto converts every file to correctly fit the screen and work(regarding video). I've never had to convert music files, so I don't know how that works. They are all-in-one programs that are easy enough to navigate (since even computer illiterate people seem to be able to operate iPods) and they are standard, forcing you to get used to them.

The DSi and PSP, along with cheap MP3 players, lack this feature. By leaving this out, you leave consumers open to figuring things out on their own, and that is never a good thing for the less-than-tech-savvy. As far as I can tell (and I could be wrong) they don't sync either. That is a big no-no. To the nerds like us that enjoy the freedom a standarized program can't provide, they might make for adequate MP3 players, but for the mass consumer that requires restrictions to easily operate something, they just don't cut it.

Actually Sony has their Media Manager for the PSP which is free to download, with the link is in the PSP manual, which acts like iTunes for the PSP but with an added function to allow you to access the PS Store from your PC and download games and other media to transfer to a memory stick for installation. Its actually a cleaner program with a better conversion model than iTunes as it seems to have the abiity to convert less-than-standard or high-quality files to PSP formating. Even though in the alst few firmwares the PSP has been able to accept more file types without the need to convert them.

There is the difference. Sony gives you an optional free download they link you to in a book a good portion of the userbase won't bother to read. Instead it should be mandatory to use to act as a middleman for your files, eliminating a thousand knock off programs from existing, and should directly add files through syncing the way iTunes and the Zune store do. The same goes for the DS.

If they want to be successful media players along with being successful gaming machines, they need to cater to the lowest common denominator.

You have to realize that there is no knock off programs because the PC environment thrives by having people be able to freely make their own decoders if they have the knowledge and willing to do so. Really iTunes, the media manager, and the Zune Store's content transcoding functionality could easily be called knockoffs of what has been on the net for free for ages.

Just because some free decoders added PSP, iPod, Zune, and PS3 codexes does not mean they are knocking off corporate software but rather they are just adding support and functionality for their users and future users.



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ssj12 said:

You have to realize that there is no knock off programs because the PC environment thrives by having people be able to freely make their own decoders if they have the knowledge and willing to do so. Really iTunes, the media manager, and the Zune Store's content transcoding functionality could easily be called knockoffs of what has been on the net for free for ages.

Just because some free decoders added PSP, iPod, Zune, and PS3 codexes does not mean they are knocking off corporate software but rather they are just adding support and functionality for their users and future users.

As someone that is far too knowledgable about computers, you're never going to understand the need for others to not have these freedoms and be restricted into doing things one way. In such, you're never going to understand a corporation's need to restrict these customers to get them onboard. Ease of use to many means show me one way to do this so I can learn it and be done with it.



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As much as I like my PS3 and PSP, this pretty much kills any notion of me getting a PSP Go. The price was the other killer. Big thumbs down on this. I don't see how the PSP go can succeed against the iPhone/iTouch and Nintendo DS/DSi if you can't even win over your faithfuls.



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Onyxmeth said:
ssj12 said:
 

You have to realize that there is no knock off programs because the PC environment thrives by having people be able to freely make their own decoders if they have the knowledge and willing to do so. Really iTunes, the media manager, and the Zune Store's content transcoding functionality could easily be called knockoffs of what has been on the net for free for ages.

Just because some free decoders added PSP, iPod, Zune, and PS3 codexes does not mean they are knocking off corporate software but rather they are just adding support and functionality for their users and future users.

As someone that is far too knowledgable about computers, you're never going to understand the need for others to not have these freedoms and be restricted into doing things one way. In such, you're never going to understand a corporation's need to restrict these customers to get them onboard. Ease of use to many means show me one way to do this so I can learn it and be done with it.

But wouldn;t it be easier to have an MP3 player that supports a good number for codexs that you can just add music onto it as if its a flash drive? I mean kids these days do know downloading music is a very easy way for getting music. Schools are also requiring the use of flash drives at an elementary level so they should know how to add files to one. So a general MP3 like Sony's, which WalMart sells and the highest priced ones cost $120 (not so cheap), allows the user to just add the music on like a flash drive.

No need for a one way street for their music. Basically, the need for iTunes decoder and uploader and things like it are basically worthless. If it wasn't for the brand name and constant reimaging by adding none-music features the iPod wouldn't be half as popular as it is. Still the iPod's overall marketshare should be lowering thanks to increased customer knowledge and competition from Sony, Phillips, Creative, and Microsoft.



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Most people could care less about codecs. Most people don't even know what a codec is.

The music market is so yesterday anyways. The real bread winner for Apple is the iPhone. A single iPhone can probably make 10x the profit of an iPod. That's where Apple is crushing Sony. While Sony does produce a lot of phones, those phones make no money. Apple is making billions in profit from its phones while Sony is losing money.



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Grimes said:
Most people could care less about codecs. Most people don't even know what a codec is.

The music market is so yesterday anyways. The real bread winner for Apple is the iPhone. A single iPhone can probably make 10x the profit of an iPod. That's where Apple is crushing Sony. While Sony does produce a lot of phones, those phones make no money. Apple is making billions in profit from its phones while Sony is losing money.

I know the general consumer doesn't know what codexs is, but that does not matter. What matters is that an MP3 player is made to support as many different formats as it can so a customer can jsut throw an mp3, ogg, and aac formated music file onto their MP3 player and they all work 100% without needing to convert them or use anything extra software to add the songs to the player

And you are right, the iPhone is Apple's claim to the mountains of money at the moment. That does not mean Sony does not make money on each cell phone sold, even the ones at Walmart that are free if you have good credit. The reason is that Sony gets paid by Verizon, AT&T, or whoever for the phone purchase from the money received in the contractual payments received by the phone owner. Also with the advent of Google's entry to the phone market Apple has a ton of competition since every manufacturer is virtually dropping Microsoft's mobile OS for the Android which features functionality that far outreachs Apple's and has an app store full of great goodies. The iPhone is only as good as the software, unfortunately Apple's software is outdated by Google's linux OS Android.



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ssj12 said:

But wouldn;t it be easier to have an MP3 player that supports a good number for codexs that you can just add music onto it as if its a flash drive? I mean kids these days do know downloading music is a very easy way for getting music. Schools are also requiring the use of flash drives at an elementary level so they should know how to add files to one. So a general MP3 like Sony's, which WalMart sells and the highest priced ones cost $120 (not so cheap), allows the user to just add the music on like a flash drive.

No need for a one way street for their music. Basically, the need for iTunes decoder and uploader and things like it are basically worthless. If it wasn't for the brand name and constant reimaging by adding none-music features the iPod wouldn't be half as popular as it is. Still the iPod's overall marketshare should be lowering thanks to increased customer knowledge and competition from Sony, Phillips, Creative, and Microsoft.

The lowest common denominator is not children, it's middle aged adults and older. Children easily pick up thing like learning PC architecture. They're very easily acclimated into the internet, etc. It's adults that find it harder to learn and they must be coaxed into doing things a certain way. Trust me, as someone who has a completely computer illiterate mother, I can tell you no child on earth is this damn computer retarded. I taught her this year how to operate her e-mail in the most basic fashion. Every few days I would teach her how to send e-mails, attachments, etc. It took her four months to stop asking me for help.

However, these same people do enjoy technology if it's easy enough for them to understand it. This is where stadnardized programs, music stores and syncing come in. Ease of use by limiting what can be done.



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Onyxmeth said:
ssj12 said:
 

But wouldn;t it be easier to have an MP3 player that supports a good number for codexs that you can just add music onto it as if its a flash drive? I mean kids these days do know downloading music is a very easy way for getting music. Schools are also requiring the use of flash drives at an elementary level so they should know how to add files to one. So a general MP3 like Sony's, which WalMart sells and the highest priced ones cost $120 (not so cheap), allows the user to just add the music on like a flash drive.

No need for a one way street for their music. Basically, the need for iTunes decoder and uploader and things like it are basically worthless. If it wasn't for the brand name and constant reimaging by adding none-music features the iPod wouldn't be half as popular as it is. Still the iPod's overall marketshare should be lowering thanks to increased customer knowledge and competition from Sony, Phillips, Creative, and Microsoft.

The lowest common denominator is not children, it's middle aged adults and older. Children easily pick up thing like learning PC architecture. They're very easily acclimated into the internet, etc. It's adults that find it harder to learn and they must be coaxed into doing things a certain way. Trust me, as someone who has a completely computer illiterate mother, I can tell you no child on earth is this damn computer retarded. I taught her this year how to operate her e-mail in the most basic fashion. Every few days I would teach her how to send e-mails, attachments, etc. It took her four months to stop asking me for help.

However, these same people do enjoy technology if it's easy enough for them to understand it. This is where stadnardized programs, music stores and syncing come in. Ease of use by limiting what can be done.

But the generation that both of our parents are from are slowly but surely becoming a minority as people from our generation and this generation's children are getting older and slowly becoming the majority. Middle-aged people are starting to become more techsavy and our children are way the hell smarter than us, (I meet a 12 year old that hand coded his own linux distro o.O).

Still you have to remember who MP3 payers are typically for too. The main market is high schoolers, secondary is people doing activities like working out, jogging, etc. While older folks might want one, there are still  Portable CD players which are made to be nearly impossible to make a CD skip while running full speed for sale, for the less-than-knowledgable buyers.



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