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A restatement of your OP:

Month after month Nintendo has easily dominated the competition in all the markets. Sometimes NOT outselling their rivals by multiples

How can you claim you didn't modify your criteria half way through the discussion?



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The_vagabond7 said:
Dodece said:
On a side note I have to ask the question didn't any of you hardcore Wii loyalists get any decent games to play for Christmas. I know I have spent endless hours playing games since the holiday. Hardly having time to get on these forums.

The ultimate and inevitable insult in a fanboy war "If your system had any good games you'd be playing them instead of posting, like I normally do, but not at this particular time, I'm just taking a break really but then it's back to all my awesome games that you lack because my system of choice has plenty unlike yours obviously!"

Seriously, does that insult ever NOT come up any more?

He doesn't like to talk about the games that he plays though, so he may not be talking about good games.

Dodece said:
Strange I asked a question, and clarified exactly what the question was. Then for some strange reason people are upset that my question wasn't something they can twist. The fault is not mine I asked a rational question, and all that comes of it is irrational answers. Do my fellow posters actually want me to ask idiotic questions with no points of reference?

We aren't upset that we can't twist the question, we are upset by you adding criteria each time that your question is answered positively to dismiss that answer (What, Wii is still outselling the cometition... well it need to ousell it 2x at least Nah!  What, The Wii is outselling the competition by 2x or more... it needs to do so for longer).

Maybe you should make a definitive list of criteria you believe should be fulfilled and stick to it.

I defined Nintendomination if you want to have another definition for it by all means express your definition, but the question was placed in the context of my definition. The question was did you think at the time whether Nintendo would return to the kind of comparative sales it had been seeing up to that point. The answer is no it has not. For a week they saw a obscene spike. They need to see that kind of margin for some time to see that return.

Nice way to contradict yourself in two apposite sentences. Would you care to define "some time" for us as if we come back in 6-8 weeks with another update about your prediction being false once again but over a month only to have you saying "nope, not long enough" would be annoying? 

Would you say Nintendo was losing the console wars if for a week they lost in a single market

No, but if they were dead last in all markets I would. 

or say they suffer a severe supply shortfall next month, and the competition does not. No you wouldn't you would say its a short term fluctuation.

Probably not as even with a severe supply shortage they probably will sell more next month than the 360 or PS3 due to their post-holiday demand shortage.

When I posed the question I wasn't citing a week. I was citing the culmination of many weeks.

How many? What is the threshold? 

Regardless a question is not a statement. Instead of attacking me personally why not answer the question in the context in which it was posed. You might not like the question, and if you do not think it is a fair question. You have a great option in not replying.

Hard to do when the context keeps changing each time it is answered.

On a side note I have to ask the question didn't any of you hardcore Wii loyalists get any decent games to play for Christmas. I know I have spent endless hours playing games since the holiday. Hardly having time to get on these forums.

 I am agnostic and crashed my car last month while driving abroad so not much money to buy games until yesterday.


 The question was a fair one as even though Nintendo are guaranteed to do very well this generation they might not dominate as much as the PS2 did but what is infuriating is your constant twisting of your own definition to avoid losing.

You set a very high bar for Nintendo in your question, you even raised that bar but when Nintendo did pass the bar you come and say "Well they need to do it many more time for me to give them the gold medal". That is the problem with this thread.

I have a proposition for a benchmark as to whether Nintendomination is still here/returning. Given that it happened last year we can use last year's monthly numbers (I would say weekly but you would say too short, plus monthly allow for weekly fluctuations to even out) and if the Wii has a better ratio against the 360/PS3 than last year then it is Nintendominating.

 Does that sound fair enough? After all, while the others had price cuts Nintendo should have increased supply compared to last year so they should be able to do it most of the time (outside of further price cuts or megahits like MGS4 and GTA4).

 Another question is: if Nintendo dominates for, say, 2 months in a row (or however many weeks you deem necessary) and then it doesn't anymore for some reason for the rest of the generation what would you say?

Would you say "Ok I was wrong we did see Nintendomination for a culmination of many weeks". 

 Or would you say: "Well I was right, they only dominated 2 months (or whatever) this year and then didn't."

I ask because your question is not "would it come back and never go away" but is "would it come back" so your reaction should be the first one but your attitude so far makes me expect you to choose the latter to try to escape your failed prediction.



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Dodece, you make fun contributions to the forum, but in threads like this your words are little more than watching a debating contest between Nieztche and Kafka, a whole lot of talk and the only ground of variance is semantics and philosophy.



I wasn't aware I was handing out gold medals. When was I anointed with this most heavy of burdens? Was there a committee discussion, or some general election that I missed. Seriously this thread was never a race, and it was never a contest. Perhaps in the minds of fanatics.

Here is the irony of the entire thread all I did was ask a hard question. Did I propose a prediction nope I didn't. Was the question unfair, or something Nintendo could not obtain. You know what at the time of asking I bet a number of posters thought that Nintendo could get right back to that point of utterly destroying the competition in the most humiliating way possible. The irony is that the definition wasn't far fetched considering what Nintendo had done. Only now is it unfair since Nintendo didn't or couldn't have done it.

I wonder if anyone grasps that Nintendomination as I defined it was a huge compliment. You guys do realize the term means a insane level of ass kicking?
So what if Nintendo couldn't continue to do what it was doing. Through the end of the year. Do I understand that none of you think Nintendo can ever do that again, and why do you think that now. Have a little faith.

My comments about your holiday presents are simple enough to understand. Don't you think its a little off that your spending so much time on these forums in what is a dead week year after year. We never get gaming news through the last week of the year, and it should probably be rather boring until at the very least February. You shouldn't be spending this much time on the forums let alone obsessing about a single thread. A thread by the way that is months old, but is on the front page every single time I visit.



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Look at it this way: Nintendo is only 4-5M behind the combined install base of the PS3 and the 360. That's like what, 3 months of Wii sales? In 6 months, the Wii could potentially eclipse the combined userbase of the HD consoles.



no, nintendomination is not at an end

wii just sold 1.5mil and then 1mil in back to back weeks; woulda been higher if more supply
wii fit has already sold roughly 1 mil in Japan alone
ds sold 2mil in one week

in 2008, wii ltd sales will be greater than 360+ps3 ltd sales...that is, wii will have over 50% market share in the next-gen console market (wii, ps3, 360)...and ds will continue to increase its share in the handheld

wii is only getting started; it is going to surpass ps2 lifetime sales in its first 5 years of existence



Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08.  Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)

Predictions:

Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07  CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp
Dodece said:
I wasn't aware I was handing out gold medals. When was I anointed with this most heavy of burdens? Was there a committee discussion, or some general election that I missed. Seriously this thread was never a race, and it was never a contest. Perhaps in the minds of fanatics.

Here is the irony of the entire thread all I did was ask a hard question. Did I propose a prediction nope I didn't. Was the question unfair, or something Nintendo could not obtain. You know what at the time of asking I bet a number of posters thought that Nintendo could get right back to that point of utterly destroying the competition in the most humiliating way possible. The irony is that the definition wasn't far fetched considering what Nintendo had done. Only now is it unfair since Nintendo didn't or couldn't have done it.

I wonder if anyone grasps that Nintendomination as I defined it was a huge compliment. You guys do realize the term means a insane level of ass kicking?
So what if Nintendo couldn't continue to do what it was doing. Through the end of the year. Do I understand that none of you think Nintendo can ever do that again, and why do you think that now. Have a little faith.

My comments about your holiday presents are simple enough to understand. Don't you think its a little off that your spending so much time on these forums in what is a dead week year after year. We never get gaming news through the last week of the year, and it should probably be rather boring until at the very least February. You shouldn't be spending this much time on the forums let alone obsessing about a single thread. A thread by the way that is months old, but is on the front page every single time I visit.

 Bahahahaha! Just stop, Dodece. It's already hilarious enough with out you trying to cover yourself. Hah.



The BuShA owns all!

Dodece needs to learn that there are such things as implication and inuendo, and he uses them readily in order fo defiance later.

You can IMPLY something (as you did) without literally saying it.

Your question was a feeble attempt to hide your view that "Nintendomination" (again, lame) was at an end. Just read over your collective previous posts in this thread and try to claim it was not.

You should watch Ferris Bueler's Day Off, you could learn something. Pedalling backwards does not undo the things already done.



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I strive to improve my living conditions by hoarding gold, food, and sometimes keys and potions. I love adventure, fighting, and particularly winning - especially when there's a prize at stake. I occasionally get lost inside buildings and can't find the exit. I need food badly. What Video Game Character Are You?

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Dodece said:
I wasn't aware I was handing out gold medals. When was I anointed with this most heavy of burdens? Was there a committee discussion, or some general election that I missed. Seriously this thread was never a race, and it was never a contest. Perhaps in the minds of fanatics.

 I think you're just about all played out now.