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Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
Carl2291 said:
ssj12 said:
NYANKS said:
Can anyone put a number on how much Sony could stand to profit if Blu-ray ever reached the sales levels of DVD? Like a very rough estimation would suffice!

Zero

Dont they own a major share in Blu-ray?

Or am i mistaken?

They have none at all. They might have developed it but profits are split by the collective body of the BDA, nothing specifically goes directly to Sony.

If they earned money like that Sony and Phillips, who both owns the patents for CDs, would have earned billions on ever CD sold in the world. But they don't, instead any "royalties" for CD go to whatever the collective body is that manage CD standards (probably DVD Forum).

Toshiba earned billions of DVD royalties... until their patents ran out anyway.

Though 10 cents per disc is a ridiculious claim.  Toshiba made something like 1 cent a disc... and that was considered expensive.

Toshiba and Sony are two different companies though. Also just like the CD, Blu-ray was co-developed by Sony and Phillips, and now memorex and a few other companies are developing multiple layered Blu-rays, so really who would get the royalties? It has to be split among the collective since there are a number of factors that each BDA BOF claims to the format. (Apple also owns many patents for Java which the BD-Live and other features are based off)



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LOL, the haters will always be there. They'll find ways to twist numbers to show how Blu-ray is failing and will be gone in a few years. They'll ignore all the news articles on VGChartz and IGN (and other media sources) that report how Blu-ray is seeing over 100% growth in sales each quarter. Ignore how the sales for The Dark Knight was split almost evenly between DVD and Blu-ray.

I just assume most are hurt HD-DVD backers, or fanboys who hate anything Sony. Either way, they should be ignored. Blu-ray is here to stay.



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LOL, the haters will always be there. They'll find ways to twist numbers to show how Blu-ray is failing and will be gone in a few years. They'll ignore all the news articles on VGChartz and IGN (and other media sources) that report how Blu-ray is seeing over 100% growth in sales each quarter. Ignore how the sales for The Dark Knight was split almost evenly between DVD and Blu-ray.

I just assume most are hurt HD-DVD backers, or fanboys who hate anything Sony. Either way, they should be ignored. Blu-ray is here to stay.

Just to play devils advocate.

Do you believe that sales of Dark Knight now are currently about half?  Or do you think if you looked at the Dark Knight sales for DVD and Blu-ray that DVD would have a substantial advantage.


In general the people who upgrade to a new format are people who are more enthusasitc about movies... and as such are the people who are going to buy them week 1.

In general Blu-ray should take over for DVD.  But it is taking a much longer period of time then people expected... and still has a long way to go.  When DVD by this timeframe as already dominant.

The question is... will it be caught short... with people wanting their media digitial like they do with songs... also... when will it actually broach the regular market (if it still will.)  Rather they just the general moviephiles.

 

 



Obviously as Blu-ray prices come down, many people start buying BR players instead of DVD players... after all, a BD player does everything a DVD player does, and more.

There's really no reason why BR wouldn't take over in the end, when players and discs are priced near DVD prices.

However, it should be pointed out that the market for optical discs is decreasing due to the increase in the online distribution market (and probably the recession helping as well). So in terms of market share, BR is (slowly) overtaking DVD, but in absolute terms it will probably never reach DVD's size.



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ph4nt said:
Well considering most people have a DVD player now anyway, i'm assuming that when someones DVD player breaks they are going to decide blu ray is the way to go, hence the practical tie in hardware.

DVD movies still destroy blu ray movies in sales, but as more DVD players break over time (i'm not even joking on this) more people will upgrade to blu ray.

There's no point in buying dvd if for like 50$ more you can get cheap BR player.

 

Plus of course BR also spreads out like a virus: after I showed Mammia Mia BR to my friend she bough one herself with new LCD tv 2 months later :D



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HanzoTheRazor said:
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Dude seriously. It's not about hating its about raw figures. you have to look at software. And the only hardware studies you can accurately take into account is the ones thatinclude PS3, 360 and PS2 sales as DVD players also. The OP article doesn't even have figures. The accurate current marketshare as of 2 weeks ago is 11% BluRay and 89% DVD. That is based on current BluRay and DVD sales of the top 20 same release time new films. It's a fact.



selnor said:
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what those numbers also dont show is total media sales and DVD are way down from last year while Blu-ray is way up from last year. Plus earlier this year they changed the way they track the Blu-ray to DVD sakes ratio. They went from revenue of the Top 20 to total revenue for the week. you should take a look at the Blu-ray sales tracking thread I have been updating on vgchartz. Cause to say that Blu-ray is struggling is just being mis-informed.


I explined why it's innacurate to take in the whole Blu Ray range in my above post. Same week releases for DVD and Blu Ray is declining in marketshare for BluRay. It's the only accurate guage. It is not accurate to include sales of films on BluRay as they are only at most 4 years old. Whereas DVD's will be 12+ years old at the most. If you cannot see why it's inaccurate to take all BluRay media into marketshare analysis then there is no point continuing further with my discussion.

Films released side by side right now in the top 20 ( which is how Blu-raystats work ) is the only way to guage current marketshare of public buying Blu Ray films.

Blu Ray owners are buying back catalogs. Whereas DVD owners already own them. Thats where your thread has a problem.

Its only innaccurate because you arguement fails because of it, and you dont like that.  If it was such an innacurate way of tracking marketshare why did the number one source for home media sales information change to Total Revenue instead of Top 20 revenue?  Because it didnt accurately reflect the market thats why.   Because basically what you are saying is that not one person who still buys DVDs on a regular basis goes back and gets an older movie that was released 5+ years ago.  Which is complete BS.    Both Blu-ray and DVD owners are buying back catalogs, thinking otherwise is being ignorant.



Wow, a lot of crying HDDVD fanboys in this thread. Remember you can still use your HDDVD drive as a paperweight or - even better - as a cup handler.

Meanwhile, Bluray is in fact taking over day after day, because people generally don't care about the opinion of a few MS HDDVD nerds living in denial.

I'm really surprised because a lot of fanboys were telling me digital downloads were the future and HDDVD would succeed.

I guess they were wrong. Again.