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I'm in favour of a totally NON RELIGIOUS school.

HOWEVER, about the origin of the world and species, they should explain the different theories, none as true, and let the student believe what he or she wants.

Moreover, I can't accept as something "scientific" the explanation that a lot of millions ago a BIG BOOM just created everything and from nothing emerged the very first form of life that has been evolving into EVERYTHING we see besides rocks and water. Where they there to empirically observe and check that procedure? This is another way of creationism, just theirs.



"I think that I don't think."

- Soli Deo Gloria -

The FUTURE is the FUTURE. Now... B_E_L_I_E_V_E!

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MontanaHatchet said:
dtewi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
dtewi said:
Well, evolution is going to be taught to me in biology.

61% of people believe that a super wizard in the sky created a man from dust and spared one of his ribs (pun intended) to another pile of dust which would create another being with different anatomy?

Please, believe the fact that a walking fish had sex with a squirrel butt-fucking a monkey. (Whoever gets the reference receives a cookie).

@Rubang

Please, libertarianism is the way to go! In seriousness, liberals tend to like political correctness a LOT and get offended by everything.

I remember you stating dozens of times that you didn't care about politics. Are you just Libertarian because it seems like the cool party to be? It's not. And stereotyping millions of people is not a nice thing to do.

You must be referring to comments I made ONE AND A HALF YEARS ago. But I guess nothing changes in ONE AND A HALF YEARS. I couldn't have been REQUIRED to learn politics in Social Studies class and was DRAWN into it.

I'm libertarian because it matches most closely with my beliefs. And if you want, I'll change my generalization of liberals. But they are the ones to usually complain about something.

Okay, I was just wondering why you had A CHANGE OF OPINION. It's always nice to find something out about yourself by LEARNING IN A CLASSROOM.

The Libertarian party is a bit of a joke, but I think you'll soon discover that there's no such thing as a good, viable party. You should change your generalization about liberals, because it's stereotyping and it's nasty. And let's face it, everyone complains excessively. This is America. This is a democracy.

I'm not a MEMBER of the party, it just falls in line with my political views. Most people use democrat and republican to express their views when they're not members, I'm just much more of a libertatrian than a democrat or republican.

@Baroque

I believe there is evidence to support the Big Bang Theory. Also, it didn't come from NOTHING, every single piece of matter ever was comprised in an infinitely dense point. I'm not sure where all the matter came from though...

OT Question: Where did matter come from?

Here's another one I've been pondering: If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why would he create a human capable of sin?



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:

@Baroque

I believe there is evidence to support the Big Bang Theory. Also, it didn't come from NOTHING, every single piece of matter ever was comprised in an infinitely dense point. I'm not sure where all the matter came from though...

OT Question: Where did matter come from?

Here's another one I've been pondering: If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why would he create a human capable of sin?


I'm not here to discuss any religion, I only said that the Big Bang theory nor the evolution theory can't be "blatantly" proved by actual proofs.

Oh, the "NOTHING" was pure irony, because they can't still EXPLAIN where did it come the first form of life, what it was and why it has evolved. Was some kind of unicellular life before the Big Bang? How did that survived such a massive explosion? If it wasn't before the Big Bang, how did it originated? How did it evolved? What has an organism that tells that organism that it has to evolve into this or that?

If somebody wants to believe that, ok, but I don't think that a teacher should teach me that as something that I have to believe.



"I think that I don't think."

- Soli Deo Gloria -

The FUTURE is the FUTURE. Now... B_E_L_I_E_V_E!

Uh

I'm pretty sure that evolution has been proven pretty conclusively. That's why it's a theory. We observe evolutionary principles all the time.



Baroque_Dude said:
I'm in favour of a totally NON RELIGIOUS school.

HOWEVER, about the origin of the world and species, they should explain the different theories, none as true, and let the student believe what he or she wants.

Moreover, I can't accept as something "scientific" the explanation that a lot of millions ago a BIG BOOM just created everything and from nothing emerged the very first form of life that has been evolving into EVERYTHING we see besides rocks and water. Where they there to empirically observe and check that procedure? This is another way of creationism, just theirs.

+1.

I think school should teach something called 'Critical thinking' when it comes to science. After all, aren't we supposed to question things and research using empirical evidence to base assumptions? Isn't that what science is about? If so, why aren't we providing multiple viewpoints on scientific theories like evolution, and then having a healthy discussion about them? Even if ID/Creationism is horribly wrong, why not let the students discuss and debate such things?

I mean, even growing up in a religious, homeschooled environment, I learned evolution. It was taught alongside of ID/creationism as a viable alternate theory. The course was even presented from an ID/Creationist slant, yet readily proposed what evolution teaches. If the creationist side is willing to give both critiques, why cannot the other side?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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Evolution has been PROVEN on the genetic scale. We can tell which chromosomes from chimpanzees got stuck together and moved around into what exact order in humans. We predicted it, tested it, and proved it.



@dtewi, I believe that you will soon LEARN that many non-liberals like to COMPLAIN about several things. In fact, if you watch just FIVE MINUTES on Fox News, you might see ONE BILLION complaints about how liberals are turning America into a MODERN DAY SODDOM AND GOMORRAH. And I can NEVER be a Libertarian because I believe that people need to work towards a common good to have a common good, and that a healthy community can't come out of GREED ALONE and a "GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DOCTORS AND TEACHERS I'LL DO IT MAHSELF" philosophy.

(The gross generalization was intentional. If you're not dtewi, and Libertarian, PLEASE don't get angry with me.)

I think Libertarianism could only work ON TOP of a communist safety net.



Also why do people think that evolution has anything to do with the origin of life? It doesn't! The origin of life is not a part of functional evolutionary theory!



Baroque_Dude said:
I'm in favour of a totally NON RELIGIOUS school.

HOWEVER, about the origin of the world and species, they should explain the different theories, none as true, and let the student believe what he or she wants.

Moreover, I can't accept as something "scientific" the explanation that a lot of millions ago a BIG BOOM just created everything and from nothing emerged the very first form of life that has been evolving into EVERYTHING we see besides rocks and water. Where they there to empirically observe and check that procedure? This is another way of creationism, just theirs.

The big bang didn't create everything from nothing, it created everything from everything.



Khuutra said:
Also why do people think that evolution has anything to do with the origin of life? It doesn't! The origin of life is not a part of functional evolutionary theory!


Both are separated phenomena, but if someone believes in evolution it is very probable that he/she will also believe in the Big Bang theory.



"I think that I don't think."

- Soli Deo Gloria -

The FUTURE is the FUTURE. Now... B_E_L_I_E_V_E!

Baroque_Dude said:
Khuutra said:
Also why do people think that evolution has anything to do with the origin of life? It doesn't! The origin of life is not a part of functional evolutionary theory!

Both are separated phenomena, but if someone believes in evolution it is very probable that he/she will also believe in the Big Bang theory.

That has nothing to do with whether or not evolution is a sound theory, because it is. It is water tight. Evolution does not concern itself with the beginnings of the universe or even the beginnings of life. Evolution is about how life changes, noothing less and nothing more.

Attacking evolution through any other means is ridiculous.