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Deneidez said:
Manos said:
Deneidez said:
Manos said:

If we aren't talking "current gen" games then umm... guess how long list it would be with PS3 with bc.

Guess how long jprg list on PC would be with emulators? Too bad they ripped PS2 bc and even ability to use linux and access some emulators on PS3. :)

So are you promoting piracy or what?

Well, you can read even c64 cassettes on pc and they will work perfectly on emulators. Same goes with old original CDs and DVDs. I don't think thats piracy or is it? :)

http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20061217/pc-cassette-deck/

 

I see. Only 100$ for that! I bet every pc owner is getting that.

Anyway, if you are going to play original cd:s and dvd:s I think you will need a (PS1/PS2/whatever) bios to play those games. Those are illegal as far as I know.



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Manos said:
Deneidez said:

Well, you can read even c64 cassettes on pc and they will work perfectly on emulators. Same goes with old original CDs and DVDs. I don't think thats piracy or is it? :)

http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20061217/pc-cassette-deck/

 

I see. Only 100$ for that! I bet every pc owner is getting that.

Anyway, if you are going to play original cd:s and dvd:s I think you will need a (PS1/PS2/whatever) bios to play those games. Those are illegal as far as I know.

$100? I am quite sure that there are cheaper alternatives. However possibility vs no possibility... You lose. :P

If you want to play by the rules, you can always rip bios from those machines and give it to the emulator and that way it won't be illegal.



Deneidez said:
Manos said:
Deneidez said:

Well, you can read even c64 cassettes on pc and they will work perfectly on emulators. Same goes with old original CDs and DVDs. I don't think thats piracy or is it? :)

http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20061217/pc-cassette-deck/

 

I see. Only 100$ for that! I bet every pc owner is getting that.

Anyway, if you are going to play original cd:s and dvd:s I think you will need a (PS1/PS2/whatever) bios to play those games. Those are illegal as far as I know.

$100? I am quite sure that there are cheaper alternatives. However possibility vs no possibility... You lose. :P

If you want to play by the rules, you can always rip bios from those machines and give it to the emulator and that way it won't be illegal.

Actually ripping a bios is illegal too. Of course that depends on where you live but at least here it is illegal. But hey, I will give you C64 jrpg:s. Propably all 0 of them. ;P

I also would like to see how you rip a bios from for example ps2.



vlad321 said:
yo_john117 said:
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
yo_john117 said:
vlad321 said:
yo_john117 said:

You've obviously never played a FPS on a console before.  So whats so skillfull about point and clicking?

The fact that the target moves about 3 times faster, while you yourself also moves 3 times faster. What's so skillful about moving the reticule slowly over someone who is basically crawling across the screen?

That only applies to Team Fortress (at least from what i've seen)  And team fortress is on consoles too so that logic fails.

And having played Counter Strike and Halo 3 before, I can easily say they move about the same speed (I think counter strike is a little faster)  

You saying stuff like this just backs up my point that you have never played a console FPS...

Yes... Unreal Tournament, Quake, Half-Life. They are no games at all, obviously. Why don't you try playing some true shooters then making those claims. Also, as Scoobes pointed out, consoles even need auto aim, which is kinda pathetic, but I uess necessary.

lol, all of those games made there ways to the Xbox through sequels.

Can you please name some games whose sequels are not showing up on one or both of the HD twins?

So you are saying I can directly blame the consoles for the fact the sequels of those game SUCK HORRIBLY. UT3? It ruined the UT franchise. Quake 4? Same. TF2? Is that even remotely playable on the consoles? Not a single sequel that has appeared on the consoles has been as good as their predecessors, they all suck. I blame consoles for ruining the quality of shooters. It's quite sad that in 2009 I have to play UT2004 and Half-Life 2 to get good multiplayer and singleplayer FPS experiences, don't you think?

Also I can't believe you can call Halo a good game. It's a piece of garbage. If in the future even our genetically modified selves walk slower than 90 year-olds then we are truly fucked.

Other game franchise that went dowhill after it went to consoles: Fallout. Play Fallout 2 then come back and tell me 3 is the bes thing to ever happen to gaming. It's good, it was just outdone 10 years earlier (minus graphics, yes).

You know what is THE saddest part about this? This concerns PCs as much as consoles. X-COM: UFO Defense, Deus Ex, and System Shock 2 STILL remain and are better than ALL games that have come out in the past 5 years, PC or console. Tha is VERY sad. Honestly, dont bash them until you play them. If you call them shit you have obviously neve touched them and just come out as an ignorant idiot, that or you just aren't into strategy, shooting, stealth, story, or any "hardcore" gaming.

 

 

Whats truly sad is your post in general.

Why do you think MLG''s biggest game is Halo 3?  Why do you think so many of the pro's pick this game over others?  The answer is because its such a dominate game, and takes way more skill than the average FPS.

Oh and you can get up to 300% speed in Halo 3.

 

And here's one just showing how awesome Halo is. (even with normal multiplayer modes its not so slow is it)

 


Are you shitting me? That was pro's on 300% speed? Poor guy couldn't even keep his reticule on people. God forbid they played a REAL shooter game. My clan used to play UT2004 on Insta-gib Turbo. Basically, you are allowed to use only spartan lasers and you move about 400-500% of Halo's speed, with double jumps which do not feel like anti-grav is on. I'll try to find you a video.

@ameratsu

Man youa re doign it wrong! Just dash at everyone with the dragon totoh energy sword thingamajig and whack them until desired results happen. Or snipe the peeps, or shoot them, or.... it's a game of many choices, you get the point.

Edit: Ok I couldnt find an instagib turbo but i found a random, but well done, compilation by a single guy. I don't know if he does MLG at all. None of the videos are made faster artificially btw, this is the actual speed. Also notice how he can actually keep his reticule on the peeps and knows how to lead:

 

Edit2: Forgot about the fact that some parts are actually done in slo-mo.

 

Edit3: THis movie is good too, though the shock rifle, lighting gun and rocket launcher are used waaaay too much and there is a bunch of slow downs and speed ups:

My bad for not clarifying...the first video was of a guy who's trash at halo.  I just used the vid to show that halo 3 isn't as slow as you made it out to be.  The second guy was just amazing.

But I say we just agree to disagree.  Both PC and consoles play an important part in gaming.  I'll leave it at that.



Manos said:

Actually ripping a bios is illegal too. Of course that depends on where you live but at least here it is illegal. But hey, I will give you C64 jrpg:s. Propably all 0 of them. ;P

I also would like to see how you rip a bios from for example ps2.

Err...

Show me law that prohibits dumping console bios from console you own. :)

 

And heres for the last part...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+dump+ps2+bios

 

...

And there seems to be some open source projects for open source ps2 bioses. However you cannot even play ps2 games on PS3.



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Deneidez said:
Manos said:

Actually ripping a bios is illegal too. Of course that depends on where you live but at least here it is illegal. But hey, I will give you C64 jrpg:s. Propably all 0 of them. ;P

I also would like to see how you rip a bios from for example ps2.

Err...

Show me law that prohibits dumping console bios from console you own. :)

 

And heres for the last part...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+dump+ps2+bios

 

...

And there seems to be some open source projects for open source ps2 bioses. However you cannot even play ps2 games on PS3.

 

Yes you can play ps2 games on ps3. If you happen to have a certain version of ps3.

You live in Finland so...

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1961/19610404

You should be able to find where it says something about private copies. 12§ if I am not mistaken. In case you have trouble understanding that you can also take a look at here:

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/2.4.html

 

Oh sorry, it should be done your way.

http://tinyurl.com/mpu2c2

 




Manos said:

 

Yes you can play ps2 games on ps3. If you happen to have a certain version of ps3.

You live in Finland so...

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1961/19610404

You should be able to find where it says something about private copies. 12§ if I am not mistaken. In case you have trouble understanding that you can also take a look at here:

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/2.4.html

 

Oh sorry, it should be done your way.

http://tinyurl.com/mpu2c2

Certain version of ps3 != all ps3... Especially when you cant buy those PS3s that have PS2 bc anymore.

 

Its funny that you chose Finlands law, because thats pretty much most flexible in this matter.

 

If you read 12§, it says that in case of computer programs theres some special laws(25§) Lets see what those say,

"Joka on laillisesti hankkinut tietokoneohjelman, saa valmistaa ohjelmasta sellaiset kappaleet ja tehdä ohjelmaan sellaisia muutoksia, jotka ovat tarpeen ohjelman käyttämiseksi aiottuun tarkoitukseen. Tämä koskee myös virheiden korjaamista.

Se, jolla on oikeus käyttää tietokoneohjelmaa, saa valmistaa ohjelmasta varmuuskappaleen, jos se on tarpeen ohjelman käytön kannalta."

 

Basically, if you have bought computer program(like bios) you may do whatever you want to do it(even change code), if its still does the thing it was ment to do. You also may copy it, if it is needed to make it work(thats dumping).

 

"Sopimuksen ehto, jolla rajoitetaan 2–4 momentin mukaista käyttöä, on tehoton."

You cannot even restrict copying in eula or any other agreement, because that would be invalid.

 

jkorpelas text is about copying programs that you don't own.



Deneidez said:
Manos said:

 

Yes you can play ps2 games on ps3. If you happen to have a certain version of ps3.

You live in Finland so...

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1961/19610404

You should be able to find where it says something about private copies. 12§ if I am not mistaken. In case you have trouble understanding that you can also take a look at here:

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/2.4.html

 

Oh sorry, it should be done your way.

http://tinyurl.com/mpu2c2

Certain version of ps3 != all ps3... Especially when you cant buy those PS3s that have PS2 bc anymore.

 

Its funny that you chose Finlands law, because thats pretty much most flexible in this matter.

 

If you read 12§, it says that in case of computer programs theres some special laws(25§) Lets see what those say,

"Joka on laillisesti hankkinut tietokoneohjelman, saa valmistaa ohjelmasta sellaiset kappaleet ja tehdä ohjelmaan sellaisia muutoksia, jotka ovat tarpeen ohjelman käyttämiseksi aiottuun tarkoitukseen. Tämä koskee myös virheiden korjaamista.

Se, jolla on oikeus käyttää tietokoneohjelmaa, saa valmistaa ohjelmasta varmuuskappaleen, jos se on tarpeen ohjelman käytön kannalta."

 

Basically, if you have bought computer program(like bios) you may do whatever you want to do it(even change code), if its still does the thing it was ment to do. You also may copy it, if it is needed to make it work(thats dumping).

 

"Sopimuksen ehto, jolla rajoitetaan 2–4 momentin mukaista käyttöä, on tehoton."

You cannot even restrict copying in eula or any other agreement, because that would be invalid.

 

jkorpelas text is about copying copies that you don't own.

I choose the finnish law because your profile says that you live in Finland.

But what you said there is not a case of intended use. That program (BIOS) was meant to be used with the console in question. The interesting part about that is how you interpret "to make it work". If you have a working console, you don't need to make a copy to make it work. ;) I don't like that kind of laws at all, but still it is the law.

The only part you are spot on is the EULA. If it conflicts with your local law then it is invalid.

The jkorpela site is not about copying stuff that you own, it is about your right to copy stuff to your personal use. It does not matter if you own it or rent it.



Manos said:

I choose the finnish law because your profile says that you live in Finland.

But what you said there is not a case of intended use. That program (BIOS) was meant to be used with the console in question. The interesting part about that is how you interpret "to make it work". If you have a working console, you don't need to make a copy to make it work. ;) I don't like that kind of laws at all, but still it is the law.

The only part you are spot on is the EULA. If it conflicts with your local law then it is invalid.

The jkorpela site is not about copying stuff that you own, it is about your right to copy stuff to your personal use. It does not matter if you own it or rent it.

Well, in emulator it does exactly the same thing it does in console. Only thing that changes is hardware. And if you may not do that, running for example windows on mac would be illegal. Same goes with windows programs that you run on OS X. :)

 

Heres jkorpelas text about copying programs that you do own,

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/3.1.html

"Oikeus tehdä varmuuskopio, lakikielellä "varmuuskappale", perustuu suoraan lakiin, ja säädös on 25j §:n 5. momentin mukaan pakottava, eli tätä oikeutta rajoittava sopimusehto on tehoton."

You may copy it for private use and you cannot restrict it anyway with any agreements.



Deneidez said:
Manos said:

I choose the finnish law because your profile says that you live in Finland.

But what you said there is not a case of intended use. That program (BIOS) was meant to be used with the console in question. The interesting part about that is how you interpret "to make it work". If you have a working console, you don't need to make a copy to make it work. ;) I don't like that kind of laws at all, but still it is the law.

The only part you are spot on is the EULA. If it conflicts with your local law then it is invalid.

The jkorpela site is not about copying stuff that you own, it is about your right to copy stuff to your personal use. It does not matter if you own it or rent it.

Well, in emulator it does exactly the same thing it does in console. Only thing that changes is hardware. And if you may not do that, running for example windows on mac would be illegal. Same goes with windows programs that you run on OS X. :)

 

Heres jkorpelas text about copying programs that you do own,

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/3.1.html

"Oikeus tehdä varmuuskopio, lakikielellä "varmuuskappale", perustuu suoraan lakiin, ja säädös on 25j §:n 5. momentin mukaan pakottava, eli tätä oikeutta rajoittava sopimusehto on tehoton."

You may copy it for private use and you cannot restrict it anyway with any agreements.

Say again? How is running windows on mac illegal? Windows is not meant to be run on a specific platform unlike console BIOS.

The part you picked from jkorpelas site is about backup copies. We are talking about copies for personal use here. There is a difference between a backup and a copy you use.

Anyway this is now just offtopic. Even if you were right, you would have to own a console to play those games legally on pc. Don't know about you, but I'd rather play them on that console. Better safe than sorry.