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Are you serious.

For you who wasn't involved the part you deem important was the part I admitted (seriously how many more times) I misread but for me who was involved it was him saying i called him a biased troll for not saying gt in a thread. Bit of an oversimplification.
It was for more than that and even that wasn't to accurate.
He claimed he meant forza and gt but didn't say that and didn't imply that anywhere.
That was backtracking or a blatant lie.

Seeing as he was so kind to send out personal messages I'll follow suit

He called me an idiot and the mods didn't do anything to him. I made an account to complain. I can respond though. And seriously go look at slowmos comment. He is a fucking idiot. And what you are doing is cherry picking. Which you were so adamantly against. I show you 70 comments and you show me.... 1 questionable one. Which was the unrealistic damage... which it was.

You get shown a comment you made by posters on here then claim it's out of context.

Either you are right or you need to learn how to get the point in your head across accurately onto paper so to speak.

Or maybe you just don't see when you're wrong but you do see when you're wrong in other people.

Also you are incredibly rude and self-righteous.

You call people fucking this and that.
don't pretend you're being picked on. Being called an idiot is nothing to what you call people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPmkWOXp7mo&feature=player_embedded

This is a crash test done at 40MPH... Look at the demo. Tell me if the car looks slightly as bad as this car. Keep in mind the car in the video was going 60mph. No, that wasn't spreading. FUD. It was stating facts. Just cause the 360 fans didn't very much like it. And I will openly admit I said that to get on some of their nerves. Just because of all the "GT5 damage isn't realistic" that was going on at the time. But still you can't tell me that was realistic.

You're taking the word 'realistic' and taking it out of context. Something you disagree with apparantly.

There are saying it's the most realistic racing sim ever but you see that as 100% just like the real world.

You're being pedantic and you know it. It's cosmetic so it would look silly if it had the entire front flat as a pancake yet it still drove normally. If you take it of cosmetic it does crumple more realistically so you can be out of the race on the first corner just like Forza 2. I don't see you critising GT:5 for its piss poor attempt. Wonder why? By twisting what the devs say, cherrypicking if you will, and then looking for any unrealistic (we know how realism means so much to you) flaw you are spreading fud.

 

The game never said this game=real world. They said it's as close as you can get which is correct, or will be when it's released, hence the word SIM.

Simulator not real life experiance. Learn what that means in racing games. GT has been calling itself 

THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR

Lets look at that through your eyes shall we.

Real driving? So I get into a real car and drive? No?

I have to hold a joypad and sit in front of a console and watch a TV? That's not real driving?
See how pedantic it is?
Now if I was to go round saying it's not real racing because where's the car? Do I have to take it to the local patrol station to fill it up and how much will it cost me? I would be spreading lies. Fud.

So do you pick apart GT:5 with the same vigor?
No wonder why?


Are you kidding? My point was that both GT5 and F3 aren't realistic. I don't see your point. Go look at the recent GT5 threads and you will see the same people in that thread not saying anything are the same people who shout "GT5 ISNT REALISTIC!"

No you just said Forza. If that's your point the you have to say that. You have to include GT in the comment. You have a rep as one of the biggest Sony fanboys here so why would you become pragmatic all of a sudden? Now this is your bias showing itself yet again.

And if we are talking about damage the GT is poor and Forza is better. Even if they ported over Forza 2 damage it would be better. PD really need to work on it but you being a big player has played Forza 2 to death and seen what the Damage is like.

Didn't think so.


Are you a fucking idiot? It was a forza thread. People who bring GT up in those get banned. People who bring Forza up in GT get banned. Why would I say GT? Shut the fuck up.

See, you was banned for your name calling and there you continue with it.
"Are you kidding? My point was that both GT5 and F3 aren't realistic."
If that was your point then you should have said that. You only said it about Forza therefore you only meant Forza.
If you know mentioning GT would get you banned but you was trying to make a comment about both games then either face the ban or say nothing.

You commented on a Forza video talking about what you seen in that video. You was being very specific. GT never came into it and you never intended it to. This was an attack on Forza plain and simple. I don't remember seeing any video in that thread at that point of a car in GT slamming into the wall at 70 so you could only have been talking about Forza. The topic of the thread and the topic at hand. Stop trying to spin it.

Bias plain and simple.


no not biased. I showed you an example of someone bringing up forza in a gt thread and there are more of them. I however wont be able to find them because they are probablly off their punishment. I stuck to the thread topic. nothing biased. Just fanboys jumping to conclusion. One even apologizes for that later in the thread. Proof it wasn't bias? i think so

And there are more examples of people bringing up GT in Forza (as well as any other driving game) it swings both ways but hovers with the GT crowd doing it more


Exactly, so why should I bring GT up like you are suggesting? So I could get banned? Face it, I stick to Sony threads. I don't spread FUD around. You are the biased one here. That's why you are so quick to label me. Just because I show favoritism to a console the second I say anything about the other I'm a troll? No.


Now everyone can make up their own mind.
Why bring GT and forza into it when we was talking about why he was banned?
If he meant something why didn't he say it?
Why doesn't he say it about other games he was defending?
He admitted he said it to cause trouble?
If he sticks to Sony threads then why is he in this one?

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]"

He admits he did it to get on peoples nerves.
And did he send you the other conversation?



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^ I did it in personal message. And yes, I did it in retaliation of the Forza 3 people going into GT threads claiming it wasnt realistic when the same exact thing can be said to their game. Face it, niether damage is realistic. I've taken this stance even before Forza 3 was announced. I got into conversations about it with Rocket Pig. AND my ending is always the same "If I wanted realistic I'd take my car to the track"



JEDE3 said:
I admit I didn't see the "cosmetic" damage option turned on. I wasn't paying attention to the talking. I was looking for game play. But I still stand by it wasn't realistic. Going 60mph straight into a wall would leave you with no front. It looked like the front passenger side just got a little dinged up.

We've gotten really off topic here.

On topic: My point is I just want to start up a game and play. I'm not interested in the social aspect in making friends and PSN does enough for me to play with friends. I don't think the other features justify paying for it.

This does not make me biased or a fanboy like some may suggest and be so quick to jump in a judge like past threads.

Who suggested you was biased because you don't like Live?
I never did.

And that was a very reasonable and understandable response.

You can do it.



You didn't suggest I would but you certainly suggested people who don't see it the same way as you are biased.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2544099



I want it known that I never said you was biased for that as you brought up me calling you biased.

And if you had left that message no-one could call you biased for that
Oh it was a private message but you gave it to someone else to read so so did I.



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Lord Flashheart said:

Are you serious.Why bring GT and forza into it when we was talking about why he was banned? Because it was in response to something you said in a thread to which I wasn't able to post in at the time. Had nothing to do with my ban.
If he meant something why didn't he say it? Because, why would I? So I could end up banned for a month like Selnor?
Why doesn't he say it about other games he was defending?A. Did I even defend a game? B. Have you read my posts about GT5? C. I have said it.
He admitted he said it to cause trouble? Giving people a taste of their own medicine. The only way it caused problems is because of my pressence in the thread. But my opinion still stands. It was un-realistic. And it's a public forum. I'm allowed to post my opinion. Just because I know that opinion will piss people off doesn't mean I should keep it to myself.
If he sticks to Sony threads then why is he in this one? It's definatly a comparison thread to the PSN. Even if it ain't. My Recent Threads Click for Hot Topics Why Xbox Live is Worth the Price Blu-rays sale percentage tracking Killzone 2 SALES are Very Disappointing (Just Realized) GTA: Episodes from Liberty City boxart revealed 4/30 PS3 Slims got returned at my Best Buy Tetsuya Nomura Hints at Kingdom Hearts III A Theory for Obama’s Plummeting Approval Rating Gran turismo 5 World Wide release "probably" XBOX Portable - Can MS Exploit That Area (Cool CONCEPT Designs) Will we see more of old Ps2 games coming to Blu-ray?What you want? FF XIII DATED FOR 360! God of War Collection CONFIRMED Top 25 Reasons to Ditch Microsoft David Jaffe hates his customers. Does not want used game sales to continue PS3 Slim Slower Than PS3? There you got. The last threads I've been in. Most of them are sony. The whole purpose of saying I stick to Sony threads was just a easier way of saying I don't post FUD like you suggest. 90% of the threads I post are Sony related. The other 5% are fud free. XBOX portable thread was me saying I didn't like those concept designs. FF13 thread was me saying thats not the date. 25 reasons to ditch MS was me saying the article was rubbish.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]"Good thing I was completely on topic and me posting GT would have been off-topic and trollish. So again... I ask... why post about GT like you suggest?

He admits he did it to get on peoples nerves.
And did he send you the other conversation? No other conversation is trivial in this conversation.




Lord Flashheart said:

I want it known that I never said you was biased for that as you brought up me calling you biased.

And if you had left that message no-one could call you biased for that
Oh it was a private message but you gave it to someone else to read so so did I.


Oh, so you suggest someone else is biased for the same view I have but not me.. Gotcha

I'm not even sure you had posted anything deliberately negative at that point.
Maybe you had.
I said if you posted a message like that no-one would call you biased.

I believe I said
"And if you had left that message no-one could call you biased for that"
You can not like live or agree with paying and not be biased but there was people on here using it as fuel to have a go at MS they are the biased one.


I never said not liking live is a biased view
I never suggested your view in that comment is biased.
Double Gotcha.

Maybe you should learn 2... nah I wont go there.



Lord Flashheart said:
I'm not even sure you had posted anything deliberately negative at that point.
Maybe you had.
I said if you posted a message like that no-one would call you biased.

I believe I said
"And if you had left that message no-one could call you biased for that"
You can not like live or agree with paying and not be biased but there was people on here using it at fuel to have a go at MS they are the biased one.

I never suggested your view is biased.
Double Gotcha.

see... this is why you confuse me so much. Anytime I post in a MS forum it tends to be posts like these. Yet earlier you claim I'm baised and just spread FUD about the 360.

Simply $59.99 a year for the life of your console which should be 10 years will end up costing you $599 not to mention all the map packs that you are forced to download or you won't be able to play online if you don't get them.

Xbox live is not worth the money. It would be worth the money if they included all map packs free like on a PC.