Ok fellas, I'm the biggest GT fan in the planet (check my thread in my sig if you want proof) and I want to keep this discussion as civil as possible. That means NO "wtf, GT5 is the best game ever" and NO "GT5 > Forza 3". If you want to dispute anything that I'm saying, please do so with actual points and realistic arguments.

So far, from what I've seen in videos and read from review sites, there are a couple of things about the damage that concern me.

1.) No scratches, dents, paint removal, or glass breakage.

2.) Damage is purely cosmetic and does not affect handling.

3.) Only a portion of the cars are capable of being damaged.


Leads me to believe a couple of things are happening at PD.

1.) Kazunori isn't experienced/doesn't have enough time/doesn't want to render damage. It looks substandard and lacks polish. It was expressed in a video included in GT5P that he believes that rendering damage to cars ruins the image.

2.) Car manufacturers aren't on board with the idea. Since only a few cars are going to get damage, it looks like the brands aren't keen with the idea of their advertisement cars getting trashed. In other games, they don't seem to have a problem with this; however, since Gran Turismo closely replicates each makers' cars to the closest details, getting them damaged will kind of break the mystique (especially with high end brands).


Which leads me to think of a couple of things they should do.

1.) Delay. I know that the game has been in development for a ridiculously long amount of time, but if I were to choose between this current form of damage and a better degree sometime in the future, I'd wait.

2.) Remove damage altogether. Gran Turismo is known for perfection in the areas they delve into. Their car modeling, engine sounds, driving physics, etc, are all top notch. Their damage modeling so far is not up to their standard at all. I'd rather it not be there at all, because GT1-GT4 have nothing wrong with them. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.. unless you know what you're doing.

PD has very experienced staff and they do every things to perfection.

All the other games have to pay to get licenses to get cars into their games and as a result they get to damage it.GT games are so popular,so they don't have to pay for license and get to put various cars in their game for free and because it is free,car manufacturers don't allow their cars to get damaged

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A.) the fanbase will buy the game with or without damage.
B.) the game will be different when it comes out, but the stuff it doesn't have right now won't be there in a few months worth of development.
C.) it takes a real fan to see a game's flaws. non-fans don't mind bashing things mindlessly. fans see something wrong and say it because they want it changed.

does RPG guy have a Nissan R34 Skyline GT-R, specifically bought because of Gran Turismo? Don't think so.

Is damage that important to people?
I just thought it was one of those pointless features like day/night cycle or tyre deformation that serve no real purpose but to fuel the Forza vs. GT war.

Sony needs GT5 this year and more importantly, I need GT5 this year ;_;

CGI-Quality said: A. The fanbase wants something different. B. The game isn't out yet. It's still needs polish (we agree) C. It's shocking that the "Biggest GT fan on the planet" would create a thread pointing out it's current flaws. No offense but personally, I'd say RPG is the biggest GT fan on the planet. But hey, that's just my observation...

I'm a pretty huge fan of GT and I must say that I completely agree with bugrimmars post. I understand that he wants the final product to be just as perfect in every aspect so is willing to wait and so am I. The only reason why I bought a PS3 was for MGS and GT but I've got a 360 so I'm willing to wait for GT as long as they touch up the damage a bit or make it at least comparable to Forza's damage models.

I want damage in all cars

no damage in all cars = no buy from me

DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE!!! That's all i fucking hear these days. Seriously if damage is all you care about then I don't want you to buy GT5 because you probably won't be able to appreciate the perfection that PD achieves. Go buy Forza.

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what cut and dry?

@CGI

I'm just joking, I was sick & tired of all this damage drama

I'm fine with no damage in my GT, thats how it was, thats how it can stay!

damage is not purely cosmetic,,,,i read a preview and it said after damaging the car the car could not get passed 100 m/h which was doing more than 150 m/h before the damage.