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Games4Fun on 09 April 2010
amp316 said:
Triple H really should retire. He had a decent run as a heel but let's face it, he never was that great in the ring and he's gotten even slower and stiffer over the years.

Scott Steiner put it the best in an interview once when he said that one day Hunter was losing in a pigslop match to one of the Godwinns and then as soon as he started going out with Stephanie, he was the baddest man on the planet.

I remember that match!!! lol Oh and I am not getting into the the whole Stephine and HHH thing, but he really did have a good run for a few years. Lately though yea he needs to move outta the way and let some of the younger talent build up. If anything he should be helping them coach them here and there etc.

 

In other news the Hart Dynasty had a pretty solid match tonight I thought.



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Mirson on 09 April 2010

I didn't like how Tara lost her Knockout title at Impact. She got the pin, but she didn't open the box with the belt inside. She seemed very happy about getting her spider back.

The ladder match with Kurt and Anderson was pretty good. Angle is the man.

I also despised Triple H when he was hogging the title, same with Jeff Jarrett. I don't despise them as much I did before since they're no longer in the title picture. I'm actually starting to like Jeff Jarrett. He had a great match with AJ a few weeks ago.



tastyshovelware on 11 April 2010
Snake612 said:
Triple H should just retire. When HBK retired it was sort of sad but it was a good thing because this gives new superstars a better chance to become main eventers. I hope this rivalry between Sheamus and Triple H helps put Sheamus place in the WWE as a huge star in the end. Triple H should retire at Wrestlemania 27 along with the Undertaker. Its time to get rid of the attitude era wrestlers. I think the wrestlers that should retire in the next two years are Edge,Jericho,Kane,Taker,Batista,and HHH.

The fact that Cena is in his ninth world title reign, it really shows that his career as reached its peak and that his time will soon be over.

Wow, that's a bit much. I mean, I'm all about watching new talent and not having old talent over stay their welcome but you have to be realistic. The mix of old and in is great. And you look at the wwe and the kind of talent they tend to bring in and that's the main issue. They reason why the old attitude era superstars ARE so ahead of everyone else is cause they weren't "home grown." They were guys who wrestled in wcw, ecw, nwa, smokey mountain, new japan, etc. They honed their skills over the course of years and when they made the jump to wwe, they were ready. Even today, that's the difference between say CM punk and david Otunga. Otunga is awful. Can't work his way of out a paper bag. Punk is fantastic. Why? Cause Punk did it for years elsewhere before coming the WWE. Otunga is nothing more then a "look." 

And the fact of the matter is, a lot of those older talent are still great. Get rid of Jericho? Are you nuts? Still top 5 in terms of ability to put together a match with anyone and skills on the mic. Plus, who puts over talent more then Jericho? He even jobbed to JTG!

Plus, you get rid of the attitude era, that means you drop Rey Mysterio who is only behind maybe Cena is terms of popularity with kids. Plus no more Big Show. No more Christian. William Regal. Finlay. Even Golddust can still put together a solid match. Sure losing Mark Henry and Matt Hardy wouldn't be so bad but that's about it. 

And with all those guys gone, how many truly notable guys do you have left? Kofi, Punk, the Miz, Ortan.... that's about it. Down the line hopefully Dibiase will come together into something special. 

Shelton can't talk. MVP can't put together anything better then an average match. Swagger has a lisp. Sheamus is dull. The Hart Dynasty don't have a good talker in the bunch. Gallows is ho-hum. Mcintyre is near dreadful. R-Truth is a gimmick (and not so young anymore). And Morrison can't cut a good promo.

So yeah, you need those big names. 

 

 

ALSO:

The Knockouts match on impact was bullshit. I hate when TNA punishes people for winning matches. Like feast or fired: You Win.... But you're fired. So retarded. 



Snake612 on 11 April 2010
tastyshovelware said:
Snake612 said:
Triple H should just retire. When HBK retired it was sort of sad but it was a good thing because this gives new superstars a better chance to become main eventers. I hope this rivalry between Sheamus and Triple H helps put Sheamus place in the WWE as a huge star in the end. Triple H should retire at Wrestlemania 27 along with the Undertaker. Its time to get rid of the attitude era wrestlers. I think the wrestlers that should retire in the next two years are Edge,Jericho,Kane,Taker,Batista,and HHH.

The fact that Cena is in his ninth world title reign, it really shows that his career as reached its peak and that his time will soon be over.

Wow, that's a bit much. I mean, I'm all about watching new talent and not having old talent over stay their welcome but you have to be realistic. The mix of old and in is great. And you look at the wwe and the kind of talent they tend to bring in and that's the main issue. They reason why the old attitude era superstars ARE so ahead of everyone else is cause they weren't "home grown." They were guys who wrestled in wcw, ecw, nwa, smokey mountain, new japan, etc. They honed their skills over the course of years and when they made the jump to wwe, they were ready. Even today, that's the difference between say CM punk and david Otunga. Otunga is awful. Can't work his way of out a paper bag. Punk is fantastic. Why? Cause Punk did it for years elsewhere before coming the WWE. Otunga is nothing more then a "look." 

And the fact of the matter is, a lot of those older talent are still great. Get rid of Jericho? Are you nuts? Still top 5 in terms of ability to put together a match with anyone and skills on the mic. Plus, who puts over talent more then Jericho? He even jobbed to JTG!

Plus, you get rid of the attitude era, that means you drop Rey Mysterio who is only behind maybe Cena is terms of popularity with kids. Plus no more Big Show. No more Christian. William Regal. Finlay. Even Golddust can still put together a solid match. Sure losing Mark Henry and Matt Hardy wouldn't be so bad but that's about it. 

And with all those guys gone, how many truly notable guys do you have left? Kofi, Punk, the Miz, Ortan.... that's about it. Down the line hopefully Dibiase will come together into something special. 

Shelton can't talk. MVP can't put together anything better then an average match. Swagger has a lisp. Sheamus is dull. The Hart Dynasty don't have a good talker in the bunch. Gallows is ho-hum. Mcintyre is near dreadful. R-Truth is a gimmick (and not so young anymore). And Morrison can't cut a good promo.

So yeah, you need those big names. 

 

 

ALSO:

The Knockouts match on impact was bullshit. I hate when TNA punishes people for winning matches. Like feast or fired: You Win.... But you're fired. So retarded. 


I don't really blame the attitude era wrestlers, I kind of blame the new superstars for not stepping up and taking this company over. I agree with you on Otunga being terrible and I hope he doesn't win NXT. Jericho without a doubt, a great wrestler but for how long will he be ths good? I don't want to see a great wrestler like him struggling to put on a match years from now. Thunk about it, Jericho has been in the WWE since 1999 and he's been wrestling since 1990 which makes this his 20th year in the business. Taker has been wrestling for 26 years. Edge has been wrestling since 1998 in the WWE. All I'm saying is I don't want these great wrestlers jobbing to new wrestlers who will never have good careers like they did.

As for TNA, at the rate its going, I don't see this company being around in the next 5 years.



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BoneArk on 11 April 2010

I think Vince needs to bring up Christian.

Batista said in a interview, "Then there are some guys, like Christian, who are dying for that chance and aren't being given that opportunity. I'm a huge fan of Christian. I enjoy every aspect of his work, the fans love and appreciate him, he has a great attitude, awesome work ethic, is always in shape and is very smart about the business. I feel very strongly that he's underutilized."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Batista#Criticism_of_WWE_and_TNA

I agree 100% with Batista. Christian is a great wrestler and has a lot of charisma.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

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tastyshovelware on 11 April 2010
Snake612 said:
tastyshovelware said:
Snake612 said:
Triple H should just retire. When HBK retired it was sort of sad but it was a good thing because this gives new superstars a better chance to become main eventers. I hope this rivalry between Sheamus and Triple H helps put Sheamus place in the WWE as a huge star in the end. Triple H should retire at Wrestlemania 27 along with the Undertaker. Its time to get rid of the attitude era wrestlers. I think the wrestlers that should retire in the next two years are Edge,Jericho,Kane,Taker,Batista,and HHH.

The fact that Cena is in his ninth world title reign, it really shows that his career as reached its peak and that his time will soon be over.

Wow, that's a bit much. I mean, I'm all about watching new talent and not having old talent over stay their welcome but you have to be realistic. The mix of old and in is great. And you look at the wwe and the kind of talent they tend to bring in and that's the main issue. They reason why the old attitude era superstars ARE so ahead of everyone else is cause they weren't "home grown." They were guys who wrestled in wcw, ecw, nwa, smokey mountain, new japan, etc. They honed their skills over the course of years and when they made the jump to wwe, they were ready. Even today, that's the difference between say CM punk and david Otunga. Otunga is awful. Can't work his way of out a paper bag. Punk is fantastic. Why? Cause Punk did it for years elsewhere before coming the WWE. Otunga is nothing more then a "look." 

And the fact of the matter is, a lot of those older talent are still great. Get rid of Jericho? Are you nuts? Still top 5 in terms of ability to put together a match with anyone and skills on the mic. Plus, who puts over talent more then Jericho? He even jobbed to JTG!

Plus, you get rid of the attitude era, that means you drop Rey Mysterio who is only behind maybe Cena is terms of popularity with kids. Plus no more Big Show. No more Christian. William Regal. Finlay. Even Golddust can still put together a solid match. Sure losing Mark Henry and Matt Hardy wouldn't be so bad but that's about it. 

And with all those guys gone, how many truly notable guys do you have left? Kofi, Punk, the Miz, Ortan.... that's about it. Down the line hopefully Dibiase will come together into something special. 

Shelton can't talk. MVP can't put together anything better then an average match. Swagger has a lisp. Sheamus is dull. The Hart Dynasty don't have a good talker in the bunch. Gallows is ho-hum. Mcintyre is near dreadful. R-Truth is a gimmick (and not so young anymore). And Morrison can't cut a good promo.

So yeah, you need those big names. 

 

 

ALSO:

The Knockouts match on impact was bullshit. I hate when TNA punishes people for winning matches. Like feast or fired: You Win.... But you're fired. So retarded. 


I don't really blame the attitude era wrestlers, I kind of blame the new superstars for not stepping up and taking this company over. I agree with you on Otunga being terrible and I hope he doesn't win NXT. Jericho without a doubt, a great wrestler but for how long will he be ths good? I don't want to see a great wrestler like him struggling to put on a match years from now. Thunk about it, Jericho has been in the WWE since 1999 and he's been wrestling since 1990 which makes this his 20th year in the business. Taker has been wrestling for 26 years. Edge has been wrestling since 1998 in the WWE. All I'm saying is I don't want these great wrestlers jobbing to new wrestlers who will never have good careers like they did.

As for TNA, at the rate its going, I don't see this company being around in the next 5 years.

I feel you on the wrestlers staying too long issue. I would certainly like to see more guys get out of the ring at shawn's age then flare's. The catch 20-20 is if they all leave soon, there isn't much left. I would love to see a few more ROH guys make the switch. Chris Hero would be great. Same with Kevin Steen. And Kenny King might turn into what they were hoping Shelton would be.

Kofi needs to fully drop the jamaican thing. I know he's from "south africa" now but same music, boom boom, etc. MVP needs a full switch too but I don't think there's much time left for him.



BoneArk on 13 April 2010

RAW sucked last night and TNA was alright.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

d21lewis on 13 April 2010

^^^For some reason, my DVR recorded TNA but not RAW. I looked at the results on WWE.COM and it looked like a pretty solid show. I wish I could've seen it. I'll watch TNA later this week.



Snake612 on 13 April 2010
tastyshovelware said:
Snake612 said:
tastyshovelware said:
Snake612 said:
Triple H should just retire. When HBK retired it was sort of sad but it was a good thing because this gives new superstars a better chance to become main eventers. I hope this rivalry between Sheamus and Triple H helps put Sheamus place in the WWE as a huge star in the end. Triple H should retire at Wrestlemania 27 along with the Undertaker. Its time to get rid of the attitude era wrestlers. I think the wrestlers that should retire in the next two years are Edge,Jericho,Kane,Taker,Batista,and HHH.

The fact that Cena is in his ninth world title reign, it really shows that his career as reached its peak and that his time will soon be over.

Wow, that's a bit much. I mean, I'm all about watching new talent and not having old talent over stay their welcome but you have to be realistic. The mix of old and in is great. And you look at the wwe and the kind of talent they tend to bring in and that's the main issue. They reason why the old attitude era superstars ARE so ahead of everyone else is cause they weren't "home grown." They were guys who wrestled in wcw, ecw, nwa, smokey mountain, new japan, etc. They honed their skills over the course of years and when they made the jump to wwe, they were ready. Even today, that's the difference between say CM punk and david Otunga. Otunga is awful. Can't work his way of out a paper bag. Punk is fantastic. Why? Cause Punk did it for years elsewhere before coming the WWE. Otunga is nothing more then a "look." 

And the fact of the matter is, a lot of those older talent are still great. Get rid of Jericho? Are you nuts? Still top 5 in terms of ability to put together a match with anyone and skills on the mic. Plus, who puts over talent more then Jericho? He even jobbed to JTG!

Plus, you get rid of the attitude era, that means you drop Rey Mysterio who is only behind maybe Cena is terms of popularity with kids. Plus no more Big Show. No more Christian. William Regal. Finlay. Even Golddust can still put together a solid match. Sure losing Mark Henry and Matt Hardy wouldn't be so bad but that's about it. 

And with all those guys gone, how many truly notable guys do you have left? Kofi, Punk, the Miz, Ortan.... that's about it. Down the line hopefully Dibiase will come together into something special. 

Shelton can't talk. MVP can't put together anything better then an average match. Swagger has a lisp. Sheamus is dull. The Hart Dynasty don't have a good talker in the bunch. Gallows is ho-hum. Mcintyre is near dreadful. R-Truth is a gimmick (and not so young anymore). And Morrison can't cut a good promo.

So yeah, you need those big names. 

 

 

ALSO:

The Knockouts match on impact was bullshit. I hate when TNA punishes people for winning matches. Like feast or fired: You Win.... But you're fired. So retarded. 


I don't really blame the attitude era wrestlers, I kind of blame the new superstars for not stepping up and taking this company over. I agree with you on Otunga being terrible and I hope he doesn't win NXT. Jericho without a doubt, a great wrestler but for how long will he be ths good? I don't want to see a great wrestler like him struggling to put on a match years from now. Thunk about it, Jericho has been in the WWE since 1999 and he's been wrestling since 1990 which makes this his 20th year in the business. Taker has been wrestling for 26 years. Edge has been wrestling since 1998 in the WWE. All I'm saying is I don't want these great wrestlers jobbing to new wrestlers who will never have good careers like they did.

As for TNA, at the rate its going, I don't see this company being around in the next 5 years.

I feel you on the wrestlers staying too long issue. I would certainly like to see more guys get out of the ring at shawn's age then flare's. The catch 20-20 is if they all leave soon, there isn't much left. I would love to see a few more ROH guys make the switch. Chris Hero would be great. Same with Kevin Steen. And Kenny King might turn into what they were hoping Shelton would be.

Kofi needs to fully drop the jamaican thing. I know he's from "south africa" now but same music, boom boom, etc. MVP needs a full switch too but I don't think there's much time left for him.


Here's my idea. I think for Shelton Benjamin to go to main event status, they should make him undefeated for a couple of weeks, maybe a month or two. During this time, Smackdown should give him a series of good promos where he proclaims himself as "The Gold Standard." AFter that he should engage in a rivalry with Jack Swagger leading to a series of matches for the World Title, in which Shelton Benjamin wins. All they have to do is help him on his mic skills and have good promos, probably have a good catchphrase and he'll be good to go. A match between Swagger and Shelton would be great! They are both great wrestlers and would put on a hell of a match.

As for Kofi Kingston, he needs to win more matches, drop the Jamacian gimmick and become a full fledge heel. As always had the idea of MVP,Kingston,R-Truth,Benjamin,and Shad becoming a heel stable that is similar to the Nation of Domination and they would capture titles.

For example, Shelton would be the leader of the group and he would be the world heavyweight champion

Kofi and R-Truth would be tag team champs

Shad would be the intercontinental champion

and MVP would be the US champion.

That would be a dominant group!

LOL! I have some good ideas. I should be a creative writer for the WWE.



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Snake612 on 13 April 2010

I think they should give Natalya a push and give her the women's championship. A rivalry between her and Beth Phoenix would be great. Those two look like they could put on a great women's match.



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