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MidnightRider85 on 19 August 2009
RAZurrection said:
MidnightRider85 said:

     Actually Sony cut the 360's lead to close to 5 million in 2008. 

So? The 360 increased it's lead to over 8 million since. It's a see saw, sometimes you're down, sometimes your up.  Til....hmmm let's see, at least next August, the PS3 will probably be up and so the 360 lead will shrink to maybe 5-6 million again, then MS will respond and bam, back up to 8 million and most likely 9. Biggest lead so far so late in this generation.

The real commoddity is time.

3 years ago - PS3 was 5.5 million behind

2 years ago - PS3 was 7.2 million behind

1 year ago - PS3 was 5.6-ish million behind

Today they are 8.something millions behind/

That's 3 years wasted, no ground gained overall whatsoever. Just $4.2 billion in the hole and an even bigger gap.

 

MidnightRider85 said:

And even after one substantial price cut that made the Arcade model cheaper than the Wii in Others, the PS3 was still beating the 360 there by 20,000+ a week until Microsoft was so embarrased by the situation that they had to cut the Arcade's price even more (to half the PS3's cost) to be able to be ahead of the PS3 and in most weeks since then they've only been able to eke out the slimmest of margins over PS3 there (9,000 last week at half the cost, etc).

In a war of attritution, Sony loses. They're already last,  there's never been less time and there's never been a larger gap. Even if these desperate moves buy them 3 million more consoles over the next 12 months, they'll only be in the same position as they were 2 years ago (last year) with MS in the financial position to undercut them just as they did last year, while they have to sit there while they try to plug the heomoragging cash.

But TBH 360 will be entering its 6th year at that time, quite frankly, if you can't accept its over by then, it's just sad.

 

 

 

     Yeah, but the three Final Fantasies, GT 5, and the slew of mainly exclusive PS3 Japanese games that are going to come about as a result of these exclusives will put PS3 up to about 7 to 8 million units sold in that territory while the 360 will almost have to have a miracle to even reach 2 million sold in Japan.  The 360's Worldwide lead is 8 million.  The PSP has sold 12 million in Japan.  If PS3 sells 12 million in Japan what would the difference be between the 360 and PS3?

 

So with these totals 8 to 10 million PS3's sold in Japan by 2011, the PS3 cutting the 360's lead in Others by sizable amounts every time it gets a pricecut and continuing to beat 360 there until it gets a couple of price cuts, odds are pretty good PS3 will have it tied by September of 2011.

 

Also, Sony isn't going to sell 3 million more in the next twelve months.  By the time Versus XIII releases in 2010 in Japan exclusively on PS3 they will have sold 4 to 5 million more units in Japan, and 10 million in the West. That should be enough to cut the 360's lead to at the very least 4 million by Christmas 2010.



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slowmo on 20 August 2009

@MidnightRider85 - I'll bite and answer then. Do you honestly expect over the next 16 months for Sony to outsell the 360 by a minimum of 5 million. Even if Microsoft don't react this year, they will make a big move next year before xmas and swing the momentum back their way so it's unlikely the PS3 is going to be unhindered in competitive terms. Also the Wii will be receiving a price cut if Ps3 sales take off producing further competition. I think you're being hopelessly optimistic and I'll bet you that on 1 January 2011 the 360 will have a lead greater than 4 million.



RAZurrection on 20 August 2009
MidnightRider85 said:

     Yeah, but the three Final Fantasies, GT 5, and the slew of mainly exclusive PS3 Japanese games that are going to come about as a result of these exclusives will put PS3 up to about 7 to 8 million units sold in that territory while the 360 will almost have to have a miracle to even reach 2 million sold in Japan. 

I don't see how this will be any different from Sony being over 12-15 million behind in the US by that time.

MidnightRider85 said:

The 360's Worldwide lead is 8 million.  The PSP has sold 12 million in Japan.  If PS3 sells 12 million in Japan what would the difference be between the 360 and PS3?   

The PS3 will never be as successful as the PSP in Japan. Hell it won't be as "succesful" as the Gamecube until FFXIII hits.

MidnightRider85 said:

So with these totals 8 to 10 million PS3's sold in Japan by 2011, the PS3 cutting the 360's lead in Others by sizable amounts every time it gets a pricecut and continuing to beat 360 there until it gets a couple of price cuts, odds are pretty good PS3 will have it tied by September of 2011

So you're basically hoping Microsoft won't alter the price of their system for the rest of it's life? Wishful thinking has never translated into cogent reality.

MidnightRider85 said:

By the time Versus XIII releases in 2010 in Japan exclusively on PS3 they will have sold 4 to 5 million more units in Japan, and 10 million in the West.

So if Versus is out in Japan by Christmas 2010, you expect the PS3 to have sold 7.3-8.3 million units total in about 16 months? Roughly 62,000 units a week in Japan, starting today? That's a 10 fold increase as the bare minimum for 65 weeks straight? Even faster then the PSP and Wii? I think you've arrived in the wrong generation, last gen is 8 years that way.<<<<<<<<

MidnightRider85 said:

That should be enough to cut the 360's lead to at the very least 4 million by Christmas 2010.

3.4. i'm not going to quibble over 1 million sales, there's still a gap. It's redundant anyway Microsoft will have responded by September 1st 2010, once that happens. The see-saw swings back in their favour.



NightAntilli on 20 August 2009

TGS is still on its way. That's all I have to say for now.



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lhill81 on 20 August 2009

microsoft dosent have a move, they have a old used system that is maxed out, not enough space to continue making great games, they really do need to bring out a new system to stay on top which wont happen, 2009 and on SONY will dominate, they have the great price now , always had the superior console, now better games, a free network just as good as live now.  everything for 360 got pushed back because they are having a hard time keeping up with game quality sony will put out, sorry ms your time to shine is over with said and done,  they really cant lower there price any more, they already loose so much money its not even funny, plus there still trying to pay off the 2 billion dollor red ring of death fund thats still an on going problem. that is what  they get for knowingly screwing there suporters.



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NightAntilli on 20 August 2009

The fanboys are here, that means, I'm out.



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Bitmap Frogs on 20 August 2009
Crashdown77 said:
What's up with trolls?

Is this typical post conference behavior?

 

Yeah, console-warz trolls have always been regarded as "valid opinions you might not like" on this forum, so you'll have to suffer through it.

Ah, be careful if you wanna try to put them in their place, roasting trolls alive produces a smoke that acts as a powerful moderator bait.





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Lord Flashheart on 20 August 2009

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Haha.
That's the "nice" way of describing it.



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voty2000 on 20 August 2009

Microsoft dropped a ball of cash into their pockets, is that what your talking about? Xbox has gained a huge market share and are getting more exclusives. They are also making a killing on Xbox Live and will be making even more by selling Avatar clothing. MS already accomplished a shit ton this generation and are trying accomplish more with NATAL. Also, remember that Sony is still 8 MILLION behind. I guess MS needs to announce a few thousand exclusive games to make you happy?