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rubikscube said:
binary solo said:

They are thieves, they are thieves, they are filthy little thieves. They stole it from us. It's ours and we wants it.

Man, there is a Lord of the Rings quote for everything.


WTH dude, MS are not thieves, they buy the games wth their hardearn money!!!

Oh the irony! I guess you think Gollum had a legitimate claim to the ring then?



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patapon said:
De85 said:
KungKras said:
Nightwish224 said:
Like I've stated before. If a company wants to spend money on the consumer to bring titles, then let them. We spend enough money on video games, why NOT allow this? It's fanboys who are the angry ones. Want the games right away? Get the right console.

So companies being a pain in the ass to the people that own the "wrong" console is not bad?

To put it bluntly, no.  What does Microsoft owe to Joe PS3 owner if Joe chooses not to support MS and the 360?

Answer: nothing whatsoever.

Your right, they don't owe anything to ps3 owners. But that's not the problem, it's what they take away... MS actively fucks over ps3 owners. Why would I choose to support them if I'm so disgusted by their unethical business practices?

 

I would be happy if they created a selection of 1st party offerings. But what do they do instead? They moneyhat not to have a game come out on the ps3 specifically. And thats bad in my book. 

I guess that's the difference between our ways of thinking then, because I don't believe there's anything unethical about it.  3rd party developers don't owe PS3 fans anything more than MS does.  In my opinion if they choose to take money from Microsoft instead of risking development resources on a port then that's their business.

On a related note, what do you think of cell phone companies locking their phones so they can only be used by one service?  In my opinion it's all the same, and it hasn't ever really bothered me.



De85 said:
patapon said:
De85 said:
KungKras said:
Nightwish224 said:
Like I've stated before. If a company wants to spend money on the consumer to bring titles, then let them. We spend enough money on video games, why NOT allow this? It's fanboys who are the angry ones. Want the games right away? Get the right console.

So companies being a pain in the ass to the people that own the "wrong" console is not bad?

To put it bluntly, no.  What does Microsoft owe to Joe PS3 owner if Joe chooses not to support MS and the 360?

Answer: nothing whatsoever.

Your right, they don't owe anything to ps3 owners. But that's not the problem, it's what they take away... MS actively fucks over ps3 owners. Why would I choose to support them if I'm so disgusted by their unethical business practices?

 

I would be happy if they created a selection of 1st party offerings. But what do they do instead? They moneyhat not to have a game come out on the ps3 specifically. And thats bad in my book. 

I guess that's the difference between our ways of thinking then, because I don't believe there's anything unethical about it.  3rd party developers don't owe PS3 fans anything more than MS does.  In my opinion if they choose to take money from Microsoft instead of risking development resources on a port then that's their business.

On a related note, what do you think of cell phone companies locking their phones so they can only be used by one service?  In my opinion it's all the same, and it hasn't ever really bothered me.

thats because you get subside of the phone, and til you don't fully pay the phone you don't own it's... after the contract it's over, the phone it's your and they are forced to unlock it if you ask.

also u don't have to buy subsided phones on contract, u can buy a unlock free phone (Cost way more) and just get the sim.

unlock free= ps3, Sim = the game.



patapon said:
De85 said:
KungKras said:
Nightwish224 said:
Like I've stated before. If a company wants to spend money on the consumer to bring titles, then let them. We spend enough money on video games, why NOT allow this? It's fanboys who are the angry ones. Want the games right away? Get the right console.

So companies being a pain in the ass to the people that own the "wrong" console is not bad?

To put it bluntly, no.  What does Microsoft owe to Joe PS3 owner if Joe chooses not to support MS and the 360?

Answer: nothing whatsoever.

Your right, they don't owe anything to ps3 owners. But that's not the problem, it's what they take away... MS actively fucks over ps3 owners. Why would I choose to support them if I'm so disgusted by their unethical business practices?

 

I would be happy if they created a selection of 1st party offerings. But what do they do instead? They moneyhat not to have a game come out on the ps3 specifically. And thats bad in my book. 

So tell me, if Sony were the ones doing the buying, would you be complaining about games not coming to the 360? Admit it...if Sony were doing it, you would be thrilled as would everyone else complaining about it.



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themanwithnoname said:
patapon said:
De85 said:
KungKras said:
Nightwish224 said:
Like I've stated before. If a company wants to spend money on the consumer to bring titles, then let them. We spend enough money on video games, why NOT allow this? It's fanboys who are the angry ones. Want the games right away? Get the right console.

So companies being a pain in the ass to the people that own the "wrong" console is not bad?

To put it bluntly, no.  What does Microsoft owe to Joe PS3 owner if Joe chooses not to support MS and the 360?

Answer: nothing whatsoever.

Your right, they don't owe anything to ps3 owners. But that's not the problem, it's what they take away... MS actively fucks over ps3 owners. Why would I choose to support them if I'm so disgusted by their unethical business practices?

 

I would be happy if they created a selection of 1st party offerings. But what do they do instead? They moneyhat not to have a game come out on the ps3 specifically. And thats bad in my book. 

So tell me, if Sony were the ones doing the buying, would you be complaining about games not coming to the 360? Admit it...if Sony were doing it, you would be thrilled as would everyone else complaining about it.

i would care i can't stand the way american corporations work, seriously why anyone would it? microsoft don't, they like dirt in their name, they even say they do, 50 million for GTA4 DLC?,  and breaking the bank for E3? which likely was Rising port?



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its good whats MS's doing, they are bringing 360 gamers more games, how could that be wrong?



 

 

 

 

Firstly this entire debate about Microsoft buying exclusives is entirely conjecture. Sometimes they gasp actually earned the treatment they received. By being a superior development platform. By having a better install base. By having better marketing, and a better release list. Yes developers who have limited time or budget will make a more advantageous choice.

Speaking to the nurturing crap I saw laid out in this thread. I am sorry no manufacturer is a blessed angel, or beneficent overlord. I have read where Sony bought a studio that was circling the drain, and then the next day asked the staff out to the parking lot to fire half of them on the spot. Now I ask you is that nurturing. Bungie wanted desperately to get out from under Microsoft. Earlier this year Microsoft canned a dozen artists at Rare, and Sony has done the same with their own staffs. This is bullshit pure and simple.

Speaking to paying for exclusives be they purchased outright, or merely for a time advantage. Well developers are people to. They have families to feed, and bills that need to be paid. When their company is sold they aren't the ones getting a piece of that action. The reality is when a small developer does better it usually translates to a better wage for the staff. Hell many of them even have profit sharing.

A developer being paid is getting a better deal then a developer being bought. They get to keep their autonomy, and when they do well it is they who are reaping the rewards. They are the ones cashing bigger checks, and the individuals in those companies have greater control over their lives. They are not expendable, and their projects aren't movable.

I root for the little guy making good, and if they can do good by playing manufacturers against one another. Then I say good for them. They are standing tall among giants.



I don't know, but to me it seems theres more money in going timed exclusive then release for the other system a year or so later.



It's just that simple.

jesus kung fu magic said:

The J man cant understand why people consider microsoft buying exclusivity as stealing when it is more understandable than sony buying devs/studios back in the day.

 

Is buying devs/studios really morally more respectable than buying individual games or franchises?

 

i don't know anyone who said that MS stole anything aside from ps3 fanboys.

 

but hey sony didn't steal anything aside from moneyhatting Square Enix with Final Fantasy and their other key franchises, Heavenly Sword that was 360 exclusive game, GTA games, Ghostbusters 2 months before its release etc. so far sony was the one stealing games and still is.



waron said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

The J man cant understand why people consider microsoft buying exclusivity as stealing when it is more understandable than sony buying devs/studios back in the day.

 

Is buying devs/studios really morally more respectable than buying individual games or franchises?

 

i don't know anyone who said that MS stole anything aside from ps3 fanboys.

 

but hey sony didn't steal anything aside from moneyhatting Square Enix with Final Fantasy and their other key franchises, Heavenly Sword that was 360 exclusive game, GTA games, Ghostbusters 2 months before its release etc. so far sony was the one stealing games and still is.

they didn't have to stole final fantasy, nintendo was  prick, and square enix wanted CD as the medium because of the lack of space.