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Yes, i agree i might have been to narrow minded but, i asked these people who are devout Christians who visited my school a while back. I think they were evangelicals or Jenova witnesses or something.

I said:

How did fossils come about on the Earth?

(I knew the answer but i wanted to see there response)

They said: God created fossils on the 3rd day

I said: But ive been told that they were formed when sedimentary rock containing dead animals gets compressed over time.

They said it was a common misconception.

I didnt really have any way to argue back as how would i know what truly happened millions of years ago? It was just what i had been taught, how do they know its true?



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I'll just say I see Natural Selection and the concept of Evolution as topics that should be mandatory for all schools. It provides a key understanding of how we, and every living thing currently on the planet, came to be... I'd consider that knowledge worth making sure is Universal.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

fmc83 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Animals inheriting patterns via genetics rather then "inheritence of aquired characteristics"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_of_acquired_characters

 

"In the breeding season of the flock I lifted up my eyes and saw in a dream that the male goats that were mating with the flock were striped, spotted and mottled. Then the angel of God said to me in the dream, 'Jacob,' and I said, 'here I am!' And he said, 'Lift up your eyes and see that all the male goats which are mating with the flock are striped, spotted and mottled, for I have seen all that Laban has been doing to you."

 

Bible actually has some pretty neat science in it.

There is actually even a lot of stuff in it that supports big bang theory.

 

I totally agree with your reference to the big bang and that some things seem quite advanced for that time - but then on the other hand ancient egypt seems even more advanced and just little of that knowledge survived in the bible.


From your wikipedia-article line 4: "The idea was proposed in ancient times by Hippocrates and Aristotle"

This is more an example how science was lost in the dark ages and how common sense was used by shepherds.

please try again

Yeah... that idea that was proposed by them was wrong. 

The inheritance of aquired characteristics is a false theory... and one that was proported by Aristolte Hippocrates and Europeon Scientists until fairly recently... Early 20th century.

So... no.  I don't need to try again.

Besides... why would what you said effect anything?

For other things though... there is stuff like expansion of the universe.  The natural water system... all kinds of secret science that was ignored.

 



Kasz216 said:

Yeah... that idea that was proposed by them was wrong. 

The inheritance of aquired characteristics is a false theory... and one that was proported by Aristolte Hippocrates and Europeon Scientists until fairly recently... Early 20th century.

So... no.  I don't need to try again.

You got me there. Just didn't read the thing close enough and got it wrong, was kind of disctracted when I wrote my post

 

But after re-reading it and now knowing exactly what you where telling, I must admit, that you're right on this one, but I still think, that this is just common sense a shepherd has. Science is full of flaws, but there's nothing that has to stand forever. It can be disproven. The bible has many flaws, but some people think it is always correct.

 

I reckon you got this from this site http://www.geocities.com/athens/aegean/8830/science.html

 



fmc83 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Yeah... that idea that was proposed by them was wrong. 

The inheritance of aquired characteristics is a false theory... and one that was proported by Aristolte Hippocrates and Europeon Scientists until fairly recently... Early 20th century.

So... no.  I don't need to try again.

You got me there. Just didn't read the thing close enough and got it wrong, was kind of disctracted when I wrote my post

 

But after re-reading it and now knowing exactly what you where telling, I must admit, that you're right on this one, but I still think, that this is just common sense a shepherd has. Science is full of flaws, but there's nothing that has to stand forever. It can be disproven. The bible has many flaws, but some people think it is always correct.

 

I reckon you got this from this site http://www.geocities.com/athens/aegean/8830/science.html

 

Nope... and honestly a lot of that stuff is a stretch... except the water cycle and big bang stuff.

Just something I read somewhere a while ago.

 



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Also the "common sense for shepards" thing still doesn't disprove anything.

Everyone thought one thing.... bible said something else and was right.



Kasz216 said:
 

Nope... and honestly a lot of that stuff is a stretch... except the water cycle and big bang stuff.

Just something I read somewhere a while ago.

 

And that's why I wanted to talk about this anyway, while definitely some things occuring in the bible are right and I'm always amazed if I find one of those, in a context of so and so many verses there are so many more wrong than right ones. And people take the few right things to claim, that the whole thing is accurate. (As you already said, the site above does this). And that's the danger I see in it.

 

edit: to your "common sense for shepherds"

well, that's exactly what the Judaites where: shepherds. So the verse you quoted, basically just states: you got sprinkled sheep, they mate with other sheep and then the possibility is quite high, that sprinkled sheep get out of that and not by showing them streaked branches. It's right, but not that amazing, that a shepheards-tribe found that out. It's more amazing, that it took so long to be actually proven right



fmc83 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Nope... and honestly a lot of that stuff is a stretch... except the water cycle and big bang stuff.

Just something I read somewhere a while ago.

 

And that's why I wanted to talk about this anyway, while definitely some things occuring in the bible are right and I'm always amazed if I find one of those, in a context of so and so many verses there are so many more wrong than right ones. And people take the few right things to claim, that the whole thing is accurate. (As you already said, the site above does this). And that's the danger I see in it.

 

edit: to your "common sense for shepherds"

well, that's exactly what the Judaites where: shepherds. So the verse you quoted, basically just states: you got sprinkled sheep, they mate with other sheep and then the possibility is quite high, that sprinkled sheep get out of that and not by showing them streaked branches. It's right, but not that amazing, that a shepheards-tribe found that out. It's more amazing, that it took so long to be actually proven right

I agree that it took so long for someone to say "Hey this thing was right."

When it was there staring at people all along.  Which was my point.

So many people consider the bible pure bunk but there has been so much in there that has been true both archaelogically and science wise... and possibly even more that people are ignoring.

 

As for more wrong then right... i'd say that's only the case if you take it literally. 



Kasz216 said:

Bible actually has some pretty neat science in it.

There is actually even a lot of stuff in it that supports big bang theory.

No it doesnt.  The Bible clearly says how God created the Earth, and it is in no way similar or related to the Big Bang and Evolution theories.  The Bible is as scientifically accurate as any other ancient piece of mythology.

Not only is it obvious that the Bible has little undestanding of what humans today would consider common scientific knowledge, but the people who wrote the Bible were 'behind the times' even for their own time.  The Bible says the world is flat, but ancient thinkers knew that the Earth was round from the way landscapes and ships appear on the horizon from sea and the fact that the Earth always casts a round shadow on the moon.  Ancients knew the world was round long before Eratosthenes discovered a way to measure its circumference in 200 BC.



ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

Bible actually has some pretty neat science in it.

There is actually even a lot of stuff in it that supports big bang theory.

No it doesnt.  The Bible clearly says how God created the Earth, and it is in no way similar or related to the Big Bang and Evolution theories.  The Bible is as scientifically accurate as any other ancient piece of mythology.

Not only is it obvious that the Bible has little undestanding of what humans today would consider common scientific knowledge, but the people who wrote the Bible were 'behind the times' even for their own time.  The Bible says the world is flat, but ancient thinkers knew that the Earth was round from the way landscapes and ships appear on the horizon from sea and the fact that the Earth always casts a round shadow on the moon.  Ancients knew the world was round long before Eratosthenes discovered a way to measure its circumference in 200 BC.

Actually the bible doesn't say the earth is flat.

The only mention of people saying it's flat is "four corners of the earth."

Which you know... is a phrase writers use today.

Do writers today think the Earth is flat?  Will people 2000 years ago think they thought that way?

That's the problem.  Your a literalist simply because you hate christianity... and it really makes you look just as foolish as the evangelicals and other literalists you hate.

 

From the link FMC posted....

 

"He (God) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth and its people are like grasshoppers" (Isaiah 40:22 NIV). In that verse, the word translated "circle" is the Hebrew "khoog", which can also be translated as "roundness," "circle," "circuit," or "compass".

 

You constantly do this... you set up strawmans that nobody but extremists believe... and then when proven wrong move on to a different strawman.

It's sad.