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FootballFan on 25 July 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
Eh. I don't see what education will do.

It's all about integration.

Even then it's not going to be smooth sailing.

I know a woman who's grandfather was racist against black people.

And her Grandmother was black... and they were married... still lived together etc.

Cut her out of his money because she dated black guys. Despite the fact that both of her parents were black and she looked black.


Intergration when people are young is the best route. Followed by people allowing to be hateful believe it or not.

With anti-hate laws that make it so people can't say outwordly racist things... it just makes racists feel persecuted against.

While if they're aloud to say what they want... the media and people of the community can shout them down.

to the contrary, education can help, people think immigration is evil in the UK, so we teach them about all the benefits it can have, reducing the number of people who hate immigrants, atleast in theory it should work, its better than nothing anyway.

define integration?

Immigration has little to do with anti-semitism.  Furthermore... nobody beleives economists.  Afterall almost no economists saw the current economic crisis coming....

And those that did still bought houses.

http://www.amazon.com/Busted-Inside-Great-Mortgage-Meltdown/dp/0393067947/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248571557&sr=8-1

 

As for Intergration... you know what integration means right?

It's as simple as making sure that kids go to school with kids of different races.

oh, ok, i get it, shouldnt it be different races, and religions though?


Ok then, heres one for you. I go to a chruch of England school (protestant) and people of other races and religions choose no to go to it, how is it possible for me to integrate with people of other relgions and races apart from Christians and atheists?



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SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009
Kasz216 said:
One will basically lead to the other... hopefully anyway.

I don't know how the UK works but I'm pretty sure it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion. Even so much as class placements based on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_school

guess again...



Kasz216 on 25 July 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
One will basically lead to the other... hopefully anyway.

I don't know how the UK works but I'm pretty sure it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion. Even so much as class placements based on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_school

guess again...

That's not even what i meant to say ammusingly.

I meant to say

"I don't know how the UK works but i'm pretty sure in the US it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion."

Government funding of schools that are meant for only a small part of the population is silly if you ask me.  Outside of like... the developmentally challenged.



SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009
FootballFan said:
SciFiBoy said:

oh, ok, i get it, shouldnt it be different races, and religions though?


Ok then, heres one for you. I go to a chruch of England school (protestant) and people of other races and religions choose no to go to it, how is it possible for me to integrate with people of other relgions and races apart from Christians and atheists?

the issue is, that school shouldnt have a selection policy based on peoples religous background at all, it is discrimination, no matter how you look at it.



SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
One will basically lead to the other... hopefully anyway.

I don't know how the UK works but I'm pretty sure it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion. Even so much as class placements based on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_school

guess again...

That's not even what i meant to say ammusingly.

I meant to say

"I don't know how the UK works but i'm pretty sure in the US it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion.

lucky you then, i wish the UK did the same.



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SamuelRSmith on 25 July 2009

The Government doesn't run the schools, merely contributes towards the funding (with the churches also funding some).



SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
The Government doesn't run the schools, merely contributes towards the funding (with the churches also funding some).

that would be state funded discrimination would it not?



Kasz216 on 25 July 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
One will basically lead to the other... hopefully anyway.

I don't know how the UK works but I'm pretty sure it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion. Even so much as class placements based on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_school

guess again...

That's not even what i meant to say ammusingly.

I meant to say

"I don't know how the UK works but i'm pretty sure in the US it'd be illegal for government run schools to do anything with religion.

lucky you then, i wish the UK did the same.

Yeah... it doesn't make sense to have a school that can only be used by a certain subset of the people paid for by the government.

Outside of like.... special education schools.  Still... when your government is more liberal with what government should be obligated to provide.



SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009

There is a debate over the question of whether faith schools should receive government funding, with an ICM poll in August 2005 finding 64% of the public believe that "the government should not be funding faith schools of any kind". It also found a significant part of the population against faith based schools being legal at all, citing potential damages to a multicultural society as their main reason. A petition exists on the Downing Street website to abolish state funding and prohibit the teaching of creationism as fact in schools.[3]

i signed the petition btw



SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009
Kasz216 said:

Yeah... it doesn't make sense to have a school that can only be used by a certain subset of the people paid for by the government.

Outside of like.... special education schools.  Still... when your government is more liberal with what government should be obligated to provide.

imo, the government is obliged to provide everyone with the option of education to get a job, everyone includes people of any faith or indeed no faith.