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I didn't read much about this, but I thought all Obama did was say the arrest was "stupid"?

When did race get into the problem?



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I agree.

Who gives a shit if he said the guy "acted stupidly".

There are far more important things going on, like a recession, and health care reform.

That being said, I really hate the term reverse racism, because it implies that regular racism is limited to white people. Racism is racism in any form, whether it's against whites, or blacks.



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I think psychologically it's different. Culturally we have ended up in a different place on account of history. I recognize it's a double standard, but in some cases I think those are justified.

All things said the situation is not equal between whites and any minority. White people have ruled America and most of the world to the detriment of pretty much every other race. They have oppressed they have enslaved, and they still hold the vast majority of power both in this country and in the world. While culturally alot of things have gotten better by today, anybody that's 40 years old or older is certainly going to have grown up having seen a different world.

So when somebody says for instance "Latinos just don't have as good of judgement as white people" this strikes a huge nerve. White pride is not something that is seen as a positive attribute. Because it usually led to lynching, and oppression. But if a particular latino woman says pretty much the opposite, that's not seen as a huge affront to white people. It's seen as pride in their heritage. Is it fair or equal? Hell, no. But looking at history I'm not going to complain to a 50 year old black person or latino person or other minorities that their pride in their heritage or their being suspect of the heirachy of power that is largely white as being unfair. It takes time for a culture to change. But right now if a middle aged black guy wants to suspect that a white cop for acting innapropriately towards a black man, I'm not going to get offended on account of my whiteness. That's the price of hundreds of years of slavery, lynchings, and oppression.

When the generation that is young now grows up, then hopefully even "reverse racism" or whatever can be a thing of the past too. But right now a large portion of the country either lived through very different times, or were raised by people who lived in a very different time. And I don't feel offended as a white person for these comments.



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The_vagabond7 said:
I think psychologically it's different. Culturally we have ended up in a different place on account of history. I recognize it's a double standard, but in some cases I think those are justified.

All things said the situation is not equal between whites and any minority. White people have ruled America and most of the world to the detriment of pretty much every other race. They have oppressed they have enslaved, and they still hold the vast majority of power both in this country and in the world. While culturally alot of things have gotten better by today, anybody that's 40 years old or older is certainly going to have grown up having seen a different world.

So when somebody says for instance "Latinos just don't have as good of judgement as white people" this strikes a huge nerve. White pride is not something that is seen as a positive attribute. Because it usually led to lynching, and oppression. But if a particular latino woman says pretty much the opposite, that's not seen as a huge affront to white people. It's seen as pride in their heritage. Is it fair or equal? Hell, no. But looking at history I'm not going to complain to a 50 year old black person or latino person or other minorities that their pride in their heritage or their being suspect of the heirachy of power that is largely white as being unfair. It takes time for a culture to change. But right now if a middle aged black guy wants to suspect that a white cop for acting innapropriately towards a black man, I'm not going to get offended on account of my whiteness. That's the price of hundreds of years of slavery, lynchings, and oppression.

When the generation that is young now grows up, then hopefully even "reverse racism" or whatever can be a thing of the past too. But right now a large portion of the country either lived through very different times, or were raised by people who lived in a very different time. And I don't feel offended as a white person for these comments.

Or you could indulge Mafoo and just simply say "The two black guys are racist and the white guy isn't". That's what Onyxmeth is going to do...indulge.

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The_vagabond7 said:
I think psychologically it's different. Culturally we have ended up in a different place on account of history. I recognize it's a double standard, but in some cases I think those are justified.

All things said the situation is not equal between whites and any minority. White people have ruled America and most of the world to the detriment of pretty much every other race. They have oppressed they have enslaved, and they still hold the vast majority of power both in this country and in the world. While culturally alot of things have gotten better by today, anybody that's 40 years old or older is certainly going to have grown up having seen a different world.

So when somebody says for instance "Latinos just don't have as good of judgement as white people" this strikes a huge nerve. White pride is not something that is seen as a positive attribute. Because it usually led to lynching, and oppression. But if a particular latino woman says pretty much the opposite, that's not seen as a huge affront to white people. It's seen as pride in their heritage. Is it fair or equal? Hell, no. But looking at history I'm not going to complain to a 50 year old black person or latino person or other minorities that their pride in their heritage or their being suspect of the heirachy of power that is largely white as being unfair. It takes time for a culture to change. But right now if a middle aged black guy wants to suspect that a white cop for acting innapropriately towards a black man, I'm not going to get offended on account of my whiteness. That's the price of hundreds of years of slavery, lynchings, and oppression.

When the generation that is young now grows up, then hopefully even "reverse racism" or whatever can be a thing of the past too. But right now a large portion of the country either lived through very different times, or were raised by people who lived in a very different time. And I don't feel offended as a white person for these comments.

A middleaged black man... sure.

The president of the United states though?

The president shouldn't speak on ANYTHING without waiting for the full story.

Besides all he was doing was taking the side of his friend.  He even admits as much.



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Sqrl said:

In regards to the specific issue I found this commentary to be fairly spot on:

 

Form an image of a racist in your mind: someone who watches a TV report about a crime committed by a black person, and says: “I’m not surprised. That’s how black people are: they’re all criminals.” Is this racist attitude justified if the racist says:

 

I’m sorry I have this bad attitude about black people, but I have seen and heard bad things about black people all my life. I know they commit a lot of crimes, and in fact, I have been robbed by three separate black people in my life.

Now, form an image in your mind of a black person who watches a TV report about police brutality, and says: “I’m not surprised. That’s how those white cops are: they’re all racists.” Is this attitude justified if the black person says:

I’m sorry I have this bad attitude about white cops, but I have seen and heard bad things about white cops all my life. I know they hassle black people, and in fact, I have been mistreated by three separate white cops in my life.

For some reason, people who would never accept the racist’s justification of his racist attitudes, will nod their heads in approval as black people expound on why they believe all white cops are racists based upon their own personal experiences.

 

 

 

In regards to the Obama comment....who really cares?  We have far more important things to deal with right now. In reallity I'm far more annoyed that it was one of the ten questions asked of Obama and that he even felt the need to comment than I am about what he actually said.  Even so, dwelling on it is pointless, I'd much rather the focus be on issues of real national importance.

So if John McCain had won, and a few day ago said "I’m not surprised. That’s how black people are: they’re all criminals.", you would be shocked if asking him about it was one of 10 questions at a press conference?

If not, that's a double standard.

I mean who cares if he said that, we have far more important things to worry about. (sarcasm)



Since no one replied to my post, for now I'll have to assume that this is just another case of Americans seeing racial problems where there were none (or at least exaggerating them).



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NJ5 said:
Since no one replied to my post, for now I'll have to assume that this is just another case of Americans seeing racial problems where there were none (or at least exaggerating them).

Race got into the problem because the reason the president spoke was that people were saying the cop arrested the guy because of racism. 

The president later apologized when more came out that showed the guy totally wasn't a racist... and had in fact been chosen to run classes in how to avoid racial profiling.  (The person who chose him for that position was in fact black.  If it matters.)

Obama jumped to the same conclusion as everyone else.  Though not because he was a racist.

It was because the proffessor was his friend... and it's easier to see racism then it is the fault of ones friend.



NJ5 said:
I didn't read much about this, but I thought all Obama did was say the arrest was "stupid"?

When did race get into the problem?

If he has said nothing more, then we could just assume he meant Gates was an upstanding citizen, and anyone who arrests him must be stupid.

He went on however, to say that there is a long history of blacks and latinos being treated unfairly.

In his defense, he was asked about race relations.