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AussieGecko on 14 July 2009
Zezlar said:
Strategyking92 said:
AussieGecko said:
halil23 said:
*looks at my sig* ahhh another plus reasons.

Anyway, wonder if Nintendo & Sony has similar limits? (I doubt though)


i am looking at your sig, does your sig include the "pathetic" Ps3 biased sites though, if so your point is null and void. Just because a reviewer gives a game a high mark, dont disregard it, just because you don't like it...

 

It also appears your a tad against microsoft... soooo, according to your thoughts, because of your bias against 360 you shouldn't be able to have a voice on the situation, is this true?

I also think his sig is "pathetic" lol.

 

I think the xbox has 59 AAA games while the ps3 has 2

This just just based on when I take out all reviews in the 59-70 range.

The PS3 has more then 2 AAA games and you know it. That arguement is so 2007.

As he said, he took out the revews of scores of 59-70. If you want to check it i don't doubt it that much.

I am also pretty sure that he also meant that if you take out certain sites, you can get your own scores as was in the previous blokes sig



 

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Strategyking92 on 14 July 2009
Zezlar said:
Strategyking92 said:
AussieGecko said:
halil23 said:
*looks at my sig* ahhh another plus reasons.

Anyway, wonder if Nintendo & Sony has similar limits? (I doubt though)


i am looking at your sig, does your sig include the "pathetic" Ps3 biased sites though, if so your point is null and void. Just because a reviewer gives a game a high mark, dont disregard it, just because you don't like it...

 

It also appears your a tad against microsoft... soooo, according to your thoughts, because of your bias against 360 you shouldn't be able to have a voice on the situation, is this true?

I also think his sig is "pathetic" lol.

 

I think the xbox has 59 AAA games while the ps3 has 2

This just just based on when I take out all reviews in the 59-70 range.

The PS3 has more then 2 AAA games and you know it. That arguement is so 2007.

......lol.

 

No.. Shit...

I'm making fun of his halil's sig, the way he conveniently takes out reviews and games he doesn't like.



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Zezlar on 14 July 2009

Well then we need to whip these developers into shape! They need to make good games then :D



AussieGecko on 14 July 2009

Which i believe is ms' point to begin with



 

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izaaz101 on 14 July 2009
badgenome said:
shio is positively scandalized by this development!

That was quite beautifully done sir........a cookie for your efforts.

This doesn't seem to be a problem, unless there are more than 35 good Indie games made, which doesn't seem to be a problem for now.



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CaptDS9E on 14 July 2009

Frankly Microsoft is doing the right thing. For the first 1 1/2 years people cried there was not enough stuff on XBLA. now there is way too much stuff that is not up to par for a full fledge release. Which is why they are creating the indie game area once the new NXE update comes out. Cheaper indie games that people want to try out for a cheaper price. Nothing wrong with that. If game is deserving of being a XBLA title like Braid, Dishwasher, etc then I'm sure it will be put up on normal XBLA with open arms



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shio on 14 July 2009
Onyxmeth said:
shio said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't see why these complainers can't merely jump into the Community games section. If the release is very good, it will get bumped up to the most popular, and it will garner more attention and sales that way, so next release MS may be more willing to allow their big project into XBLA itself. It's called earning their place, and yes it may take a release or two to get to hang with the big boy publishers. This is why they created XNA in the first place, so indy studios had their own avenue to get noticed and not have to compete against what would likely be bigger, more robust, and more marketable releases from third party developers and MS themselves. Do these guys really want to compete against Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Battlefield 1943 and Shadow Complex? They'll get swallowed.

The Community games section is for hobbyists and amateur devs, it is not for proffessional developers nor is a place to make money. We are talking about real developers that are in a small, indie team and that get paid like any dev from a big studio. Indie devs are the people that Audiosurf, or Mount & Blade, or Zeno Clash, etc...

Indie developers have been the ones that have done original things, and spurred a tremendous amount of creativity that we stopped seeing in big studios and publishers. What Microsoft is doing is take from indie devs and give to the big publishers, in order to satisfy the publishers, but it will hurt the ones that need support the most.

I mean, publishers are releasing remakes that don't even add anything to the experience, games that have no originality. Hell, maybe Audiosurf or Zeno Clash will never come to the Xbox 360 because of them.

Here's an idea. Find me 35 titles per year from indy developers on the 360 that are of Audiosurf, Zeno Clash and Mount & Blade quality and then we'll talk about this. Until then, I see 35 as a perfectly acceptable number since there are probably no more than 5 genuinely great indy titles per year from indy devs to begin with. Frankly, I can count the total number of indy titles on XBLA that are of Audiosurf quality on one hand, and I won't lift every finger, trust me.

Here's another idea, find me 35 titles from the big publishers on the 360 that aren't remakes and are on the same level as Audiosurf. I can't even think of one.



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Strategyking92 on 14 July 2009
shio said:
Onyxmeth said:
shio said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't see why these complainers can't merely jump into the Community games section. If the release is very good, it will get bumped up to the most popular, and it will garner more attention and sales that way, so next release MS may be more willing to allow their big project into XBLA itself. It's called earning their place, and yes it may take a release or two to get to hang with the big boy publishers. This is why they created XNA in the first place, so indy studios had their own avenue to get noticed and not have to compete against what would likely be bigger, more robust, and more marketable releases from third party developers and MS themselves. Do these guys really want to compete against Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Battlefield 1943 and Shadow Complex? They'll get swallowed.

The Community games section is for hobbyists and amateur devs, it is not for proffessional developers nor is a place to make money. We are talking about real developers that are in a small, indie team and that get paid like any dev from a big studio. Indie devs are the people that Audiosurf, or Mount & Blade, or Zeno Clash, etc...

Indie developers have been the ones that have done original things, and spurred a tremendous amount of creativity that we stopped seeing in big studios and publishers. What Microsoft is doing is take from indie devs and give to the big publishers, in order to satisfy the publishers, but it will hurt the ones that need support the most.

I mean, publishers are releasing remakes that don't even add anything to the experience, games that have no originality. Hell, maybe Audiosurf or Zeno Clash will never come to the Xbox 360 because of them.

Here's an idea. Find me 35 titles per year from indy developers on the 360 that are of Audiosurf, Zeno Clash and Mount & Blade quality and then we'll talk about this. Until then, I see 35 as a perfectly acceptable number since there are probably no more than 5 genuinely great indy titles per year from indy devs to begin with. Frankly, I can count the total number of indy titles on XBLA that are of Audiosurf quality on one hand, and I won't lift every finger, trust me.

Here's another idea, find me 35 titles from the big publishers on the 360 that aren't remakes and are on the same level as Audiosurf. I can't even think of one.

That's because you haven't looked >.<



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ironman on 14 July 2009
shio said:
Onyxmeth said:
shio said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't see why these complainers can't merely jump into the Community games section. If the release is very good, it will get bumped up to the most popular, and it will garner more attention and sales that way, so next release MS may be more willing to allow their big project into XBLA itself. It's called earning their place, and yes it may take a release or two to get to hang with the big boy publishers. This is why they created XNA in the first place, so indy studios had their own avenue to get noticed and not have to compete against what would likely be bigger, more robust, and more marketable releases from third party developers and MS themselves. Do these guys really want to compete against Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Battlefield 1943 and Shadow Complex? They'll get swallowed.

The Community games section is for hobbyists and amateur devs, it is not for proffessional developers nor is a place to make money. We are talking about real developers that are in a small, indie team and that get paid like any dev from a big studio. Indie devs are the people that Audiosurf, or Mount & Blade, or Zeno Clash, etc...

Indie developers have been the ones that have done original things, and spurred a tremendous amount of creativity that we stopped seeing in big studios and publishers. What Microsoft is doing is take from indie devs and give to the big publishers, in order to satisfy the publishers, but it will hurt the ones that need support the most.

I mean, publishers are releasing remakes that don't even add anything to the experience, games that have no originality. Hell, maybe Audiosurf or Zeno Clash will never come to the Xbox 360 because of them.

Here's an idea. Find me 35 titles per year from indy developers on the 360 that are of Audiosurf, Zeno Clash and Mount & Blade quality and then we'll talk about this. Until then, I see 35 as a perfectly acceptable number since there are probably no more than 5 genuinely great indy titles per year from indy devs to begin with. Frankly, I can count the total number of indy titles on XBLA that are of Audiosurf quality on one hand, and I won't lift every finger, trust me.

Here's another idea, find me 35 titles from the big publishers on the 360 that aren't remakes and are on the same level as Audiosurf. I can't even think of one.

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CaptDS9E on 14 July 2009

"Here's another idea, find me 35 titles from the big publishers on the 360 that aren't remakes and are on the same level as Audiosurf. I can't even think of one."

Castle Crashers
Geometry Wars 1/2
Dishwasher
Age of Booty
Cloning Clyde
Outpost Kaloki
Braid

Just a few off the top of my head



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