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JaggedSac said:
NJ5 said:
I am not going to argue that night racing and weather changes aren't necessary. I will just say that comparing Forza 3 to other simpler games which had those features is very unfair.

Why? Because Forza 3 aims to be a much more realistic game than those other games. It's not hard to implement half-assed weather changes which don't correctly change the physics. It's much harder to do it correctly with realistic physics, which is how Turn 10 would want to do it if they had the budget/time for it.

My point? Compare Forza 3 to GT5 all you want, but don't criticize Forza 3 for not having features that simpler games have.

Yep.

God bless Polyphony digital for having the budget/time for it  lol



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vaio said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
BMaker11 said:


So it did turn into a thread about GT, deviating from the lack of features in Forza? Well, I got one part right. You tell me if I got the "Sony fanboys" part right too. I'm too lazy to go through 5 pages

BMaker11 said:
I'm not even going to read the comments. I'm just going to assume that either Zen or selnor (definitely selnor) will come in here and spin this to hell and back.

And everything in between will be labeled as "sony fanboys".....even though this article is about Forza's lack of features, and nothing about Gran Turismo.

 

Not exactly; these three features on the thread title are supposed to be part of GT5, so the thread starter was pretty much looking for this.

But again, Sony and Polyphony Digital have been dangling the GT5 carrot to sell PS3's while they were busy making GT for PSP... but of course expecting people to redirect the backlash back to who it belongs it's too much so expect crap like this at least for the following 5-6 months. It's been a constant presence on the boards since E3 already and it's not gonna change.

We have "sort of official" threads for both games, but the shit keeps spilling all over.

No I wasn´t. I was just posting news I read that I thought was Interesting.

Don´t ever confuse me with trolls and flamebaiting thread creators.

 

Over two thousand posts on this site and you are pleading ignorant?

If anyone buys it, I'm selling the Golden Gate of San Francisco. PM for details.

You knew this would raise a shitstorm. Wether you care or not that such shitstorm ensued is a different thing alltogether.

@kanariya: a game's a game, and if a game is so poorly made you can bumper-car your way to first place that's an error on the game developer's part. Why do you idolize PD to the point even if they make a poor game, we are supposed to play it "right"? Oh look they made XXX move overpowered in YYY game, but the developer is so honored and revered we must bow to him, ignore his glaring mistake and not spam XXX or else we might not live up to the mighty developer's intention. Bull.

You know, that's something I'll never understand. Forza 2 had shitgraphics and the career mode was dry as desert sand. If I were like you, I'd made up some shitty excuse about the graphics and say that "we are supposed to take breaks between races, that way you won't feel how dry the career mode is and the greatness of the game will sink in".

Zealots, never change.

Ah, bonus points for the guys spamming the gt5 is 1080p myth. 





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Bitmap Frogs said:
vaio said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
BMaker11 said:


So it did turn into a thread about GT, deviating from the lack of features in Forza? Well, I got one part right. You tell me if I got the "Sony fanboys" part right too. I'm too lazy to go through 5 pages

BMaker11 said:
I'm not even going to read the comments. I'm just going to assume that either Zen or selnor (definitely selnor) will come in here and spin this to hell and back.

And everything in between will be labeled as "sony fanboys".....even though this article is about Forza's lack of features, and nothing about Gran Turismo.

 

Not exactly; these three features on the thread title are supposed to be part of GT5, so the thread starter was pretty much looking for this.

But again, Sony and Polyphony Digital have been dangling the GT5 carrot to sell PS3's while they were busy making GT for PSP... but of course expecting people to redirect the backlash back to who it belongs it's too much so expect crap like this at least for the following 5-6 months. It's been a constant presence on the boards since E3 already and it's not gonna change.

We have "sort of official" threads for both games, but the shit keeps spilling all over.

No I wasn´t. I was just posting news I read that I thought was Interesting.

Don´t ever confuse me with trolls and flamebaiting thread creators.

 

Over two thousand posts on this site and you are pleading ignorant?

If anyone buys it, I'm selling the Golden Gate of San Francisco. PM for details.

You knew this would raise a shitstorm. Wether you care or not that such shitstorm ensued is a different thing alltogether.

@kanariya: a game's a game, and if a game is so poorly made you can bumper-car your way to first place that's an error on the game developer's part. Why do you idolize PD to the point even if they make a poor game, we are supposed to play it "right"? Oh look they made XXX move overpowered in YYY game, but the developer is so honored and revered we must bow to him, ignore his glaring mistake and not spam XXX or else we might not live up to the mighty developer's intention. Bull.

You know, that's something I'll never understand. Forza 2 had shitgraphics and the career mode was dry as desert sand. If I were like you, I'd made up some shitty excuse about the graphics and say that "we are supposed to take breaks between races, that way you won't feel how dry the career mode is and the greatness of the game will sink in".

Zealots, never change.

Ah, bonus points for the guys spamming the gt5 is 1080p myth. 

Well if you entered my threads you would know that I surf around and read alot and I post what I think is Interesting.

No I didn´t know it would cause a shitstorm because I don´t care and there is nothing in it for me. I read the news post and found it Interesting enough to post it.

Thats how simple it is, I surf and I post anything gaming/technology news related that I find interesting. If you have a hard time believing that then I suggest you go thorough my post history and see if anything is there to support your theory or if I am speaking the truth.

Just because YOU think that way and because YOU would post something like this just for the shitstorm doesn´t mean I will, if you post news you come over on a regular basis you are bound to post something controversial but that doesn´t mean that I had that in mind. 



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vaio said:

Well if you entered my threads you would know that I surf around and read alot and I post what I think is Interesting.

No I didn´t know it would cause a shitstorm because I don´t care and there is nothing in it for me. I read the news post and found it Interesting enough to post it.

Thats how simple it is, I surf and I post anything gaming/technology news related that I find interesting. If you have a hard time believing that then I suggest you go thorough my post history and see if anything is there to support your theory or if I am speaking the truth.

Just because YOU think that way and because YOU would post something like this just for the shitstorm doesn´t mean I will, if you post news you come over on a regular basis you are bound to post something controversial but that doesn´t mean that I had that in mind. 

 

If you do not care about how the thread will evolve, that's fine.

But don't pretend you ignore how this forum works, because that won't fly. You knew it was controversial.





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Bitmap Frogs said:
vaio said:

Well if you entered my threads you would know that I surf around and read alot and I post what I think is Interesting.

No I didn´t know it would cause a shitstorm because I don´t care and there is nothing in it for me. I read the news post and found it Interesting enough to post it.

Thats how simple it is, I surf and I post anything gaming/technology news related that I find interesting. If you have a hard time believing that then I suggest you go thorough my post history and see if anything is there to support your theory or if I am speaking the truth.

Just because YOU think that way and because YOU would post something like this just for the shitstorm doesn´t mean I will, if you post news you come over on a regular basis you are bound to post something controversial but that doesn´t mean that I had that in mind. 

 

If you do not care about how the thread will evolve, that's fine.

But don't pretend you ignore how this forum works, because that won't fly. You knew it was controversial.


I knew I found it interesting and did not expect it, I found it to be interesting information to share with fellow gamers.

If I somehow could ban the people that flame or start a troll war and only secure ordinary gamers reading this thread I would but I can´t and I didn´t know or even think about it getting this way.

As I said since I read alot and post alot of news (my threads I create are 99% news releated) I am bound to hit a subject that will cause this stirr up.

I reject the notion that I would willfully do what you suggest and I have corrected you in your wrong assumptions, now I can´t change your mind if it´s set that I did this delibretly all I can do is to correct you that I didn´t and I have my whole post history to back that claim up.

 



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

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vaio said:

I knew I found it interesting and did not expect it, I found it to be interesting information to share with fellow gamers.

If I somehow could ban the people that flame or start a troll war and only secure ordinary gamers reading this thread I would but I can´t and I didn´t know or even think about it getting this way.

As I said since I read alot and post alot of news (my threads I create are 99% news releated) I am bound to hit a subject that will cause this stirr up.

I reject the notion that I would willfully do what you suggest and I have corrected you in your wrong assumptions, now I can´t change your mind if it´s set that I did this delibretly all I can do is to correct you that I didn´t and I have my whole post history to back that claim up.

 

 

Whatever, anyways will have shitstorms about both these games constantly and it will only get worse as release dates approach.





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Bitmap Frogs said:
vaio said:

I knew I found it interesting and did not expect it, I found it to be interesting information to share with fellow gamers.

If I somehow could ban the people that flame or start a troll war and only secure ordinary gamers reading this thread I would but I can´t and I didn´t know or even think about it getting this way.

As I said since I read alot and post alot of news (my threads I create are 99% news releated) I am bound to hit a subject that will cause this stirr up.

I reject the notion that I would willfully do what you suggest and I have corrected you in your wrong assumptions, now I can´t change your mind if it´s set that I did this delibretly all I can do is to correct you that I didn´t and I have my whole post history to back that claim up.

 

 

Whatever, anyways will have shitstorms about both these games constantly and it will only get worse as release dates approach.

I guess so and if any other forza or gt news arrive that I find interesting I will probably have this thread and shitstorm possibilities in mind but I will still post it if I think it´s interesting enough.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

Bitmap Frogs said:
NJ5 said:
I am not going to argue that night racing and weather changes aren't necessary. I will just say that comparing Forza 3 to other simpler games which had those features is very unfair.

Why? Because Forza 3 aims to be a much more realistic game than those other games. It's not hard to implement half-assed weather changes which don't correctly change the physics. It's much harder to do it correctly with realistic physics, which is how Turn 10 would want to do it if they had the budget/time for it.

My point? Compare Forza 3 to GT5 all you want, but don't criticize Forza 3 for not having features that simpler games have.

 

Be careful NJ5, that's the same line fanatics used to defend the lack of damage in Gran Turismo.

I see your point, but the two situations are very different. Driving in rain is like an added game mode, while damage modelling always applies to racing.

To put it another way... Without rain, you can still drive with realism. That's not the case without damage modelling.

 



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NJ5 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
NJ5 said:
I am not going to argue that night racing and weather changes aren't necessary. I will just say that comparing Forza 3 to other simpler games which had those features is very unfair.

Why? Because Forza 3 aims to be a much more realistic game than those other games. It's not hard to implement half-assed weather changes which don't correctly change the physics. It's much harder to do it correctly with realistic physics, which is how Turn 10 would want to do it if they had the budget/time for it.

My point? Compare Forza 3 to GT5 all you want, but don't criticize Forza 3 for not having features that simpler games have.

 

Be careful NJ5, that's the same line fanatics used to defend the lack of damage in Gran Turismo.

I see your point, but the two situations are very different. Driving in rain is like an added game mode, while damage modelling always applies to racing.

To put it another way... Without rain, you can still drive with realism. That's not the case without damage modelling.

 

 

Shrug, but it's a slippery slope.

Proceed with caution.





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BMaker11 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
So this is an stealthy F3 vs GT5 thread?

Oh gawd.

 

BMaker11 said:
I'm not even going to read the comments. I'm just going to assume that either Zen or selnor (definitely selnor) will come in here and spin this to hell and back.

And everything in between will be labeled as "sony fanboys".....even though this article is about Forza's lack of features, and nothing about Gran Turismo.

So it did turn into a thread about GT, deviating from the lack of features in Forza? Well, I got one part right. You tell me if I got the "Sony fanboys" part right too. I'm too lazy to go through 5 pages
BMaker11 said:
I'm not even going to read the comments. I'm just going to assume that either Zen or selnor (definitely selnor) will come in here and spin this to hell and back.

And everything in between will be labeled as "sony fanboys".....even though this article is about Forza's lack of features, and nothing about Gran Turismo.

Well the Sony fanboys made fun of Forza 3 because of the lack of those features, and then the 360 fanboys retaliated, and after that it was a full out war were both of them are at fault.