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akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
"In a press conference that was short on specific details of the deal"

Yea... like everything that's promised before it's delivered, I will believe it when I see it. Remember, this comes from the same group of people who said we need to piss away 780 billion dollars to keep unemployment below 9%, and that 9% would be in 2010. We see how well that worked out.

They said they would close Gitmo.

They said they would bring troops home from Iraq, and end the war. Today there are 131,000 troops in Iraq, and they are staying the maximum time allowed by the Bush treaties. More troops are in war zones today then when Obama took office.

Deliver on just one fucking promise, and then tell me what your going to do. Until then, tell me only what you have done.

They predicted that without a stimulus that unemployment would not get higher than 9%.  I don't really see how you can fault them for the fact that the economy actually turned out to be worse than everyone expected.  They got those numbers from private sources (i.e. people in the private sector, economic experts, etc.).

If anything, it means there was a greater need for a stimulus than they thought.  Your argument is essentially like saying that the fire department shouldn't have brought a hose to a fire because the fire was worse than they expected.  It really makes no sense.

Mr. Biden has admitted that the administration "misread" the economy. But he explained that away on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday by saying the administration had used "the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there" to draw up its stimulus plan. That's not true.

The Blue Chip consensus is an average of some four dozen economic forecasts. In January, the consensus estimated that GDP for 2009 would shrink by 1.6% and that unemployment would top out at 8.3%. Team Obama assumed both higher GDP growth (it counted on a contraction of 1.2%) and lower peak unemployment (8.1%) than the consensus.

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124709502661214861.html

 

Not only that, what makes you think that the stimulus money saved ANY jobs? You take an immeasurable metric, and then say it's working, just the problem was worse than you thought.

A better analogy is the fire department brought enough music to the fire to blast songs at it for 3 hours. The fire burned longer than expected, all because they didn’t bring enough music.

Millions of people said this was not going to work, yet we are all wrong when it didn’t? Fucking open your eyes man. You just pissed away $780 billion, and proved us right. Now your argument is you didn’t piss away enough. Unreal.

 



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There's already talk of a second stimulus package (probably in part to save all the states which are in deficit). I wonder how big it will be.



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Also, read the first line of this:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/senate.health.care/index.html

So this, in a nutshell, is what happened.

The Obama administration went to the medical industry, and asked them to save money. They said "Do I have to explain how I am going to do it, or even commit to really doing anything?". They said "no". So the medical industry said "oh, ok, sure. We will save you money".

So there is this "good faith" savings, that no one is really tied to, but Washington is using this figure to balance REAL spending.

So the 200 million that no one really has to save to Washington, is the same as spending 200 dollars of out money.

That's Washington's version of "pay as you go".

Why are these people not in jail?